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Potential Republican Crack-Up

Posted on 07/31/2005 1:19:25 PM PDT by KMB

For the past 20 years, there's been a discussion in political circles and the media about the "fault lines" in the Republican party over the hot-button social issues such as the death penalty, abortion, affirmative action and gay rights.

The presumption has always been that these issues would ultimately cause a rift between conservatives and moderates that would split the Republican coalition. The pundits and the MSM have been expecting and predicting this split for as long as I've been watching politics and they've been puzzled by the fact that it has never occurred.

I believe that the reason that it hasn't occurred is that the underlying assumptions are wrong. There are no "moderate" Republicans. I think Republicans are almost all conservative. Today, there are no Republicans left who are philosophically in line with Nelson Rockefeller, John Anderson, Lowell Weicker or Mark Hatfield. I know that this line of reasoning may be challenged by the Maine & Rhode Island Republican senators but the Republicans in those states (who vote Republican in presidential elections) are conservatives. The New England Republican Senators get elected by appealing to Democrats in overwhelmingly Democratic states.

There were approximately 62 million people who voted for GW Bush in 2004. I believe that probably 61.5 million of those people (1) support the death penalty (2) oppose affirmative action and (3) oppose gay marriage. I also believe that an equally high percentage of Bush voters (even those who are pro-choice) believe that the Roe v. Wade case was a hideous decision.

Pro-choice Republicans also are aware of the dirty little secret of the abortion debate -- which is that even if Roe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow, there would probably be no effect... There are probably no more than 7 - 9 states where abortion would actually be outlawed and there are currently few (or no) abortion doctors practicing in those states today anyway. Overall, the number of abortions occurring in the next ten years would only be affected by 1% or less if Roe v. Wade were reversed.

So this is, I believe, why the Republican coalition never cracked or splintered. It has confounded and infuriated the opposition but the Republican coalition really never had the fault lines that so many people thought it had.

However, I now think that one may be developing. The impending divisions in the Republican party won't be "moderate" vs. "conservative". It will be "evangelical conservative" vs. "non evangelical conservative". The issues that cause the breach won't be abortion, the death penalty, gay marriage or affirmative action. Instead the divisions will be caused over: (1) stem cell research, (2) evolution and (3) the Terri Schiavo case.

I think that 25 years from now, we'll all look back on the Terri Schiavo case as a cataclysmic event in American politics. There were tens of millions of people who looked at the pictures of Terri Schiavo and thought just one thing: "My god, if that ever happens to me, pull the plug, stop the feeding or do whatever it takes to finish me off."

At the time many Republican leaders spoke of the fact that this was a unique case but the tone of the debate both in and out of the media was that this was essentially a first step.

I remember that pro-Brady Bill and pro-Assault weapons ban politicians repeatedly assured the public that this wouldn't mean banning guns while activists and media pundits indicated that this was a first step towards doing so.

With the Terri Schiavo case, activists -- evangelicals --similarly didn't view this as a unique case but as a first step towards preventing feeding tube or life support removal in any case regardless of living wills or not.

This had an effect on non-evangelical Republicans or "secular Republicans" . . . By itself, I don't think that it would be enough to cause a breach but this isn't just one issue. The other issues that are occurring at the same time are an inexplicable renewed debate over evolution and the stem cell research debate.

With regard to the former, there's no polite or nice way to put it so I'll just be direct. People who believe in evolution think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots -- pure and simple. The perception that an evolution believer has of a non-evolution believer is of a person saying, "Duh, my grandfather wasn't no ape."

Secular Republicans look at people who publicly discuss their doubts about evolution and who don't want it taught in public schools with utter disgust.

With regard to stem cell research, secular Republicans are excited at the prospects and supportive of practically any scientific research and they simmer at the thought of obstruction of research on religious grounds.

These three issues: evolution, Terri Schiavo and stem cell research are close to causing (or may have already caused) an irrepairable breach in the Republican coalition.

I'm a conservative. I believed in a 2nd war against in Iraq to remove the regime of Saddam Hussein as early as 1998. I also believe in making the '01 & '03 tax cuts permanent; drilling in anwar; that members of al Qaeda who are captured are illegal soldiers and not entitled to due process. I believe in progressive indexing of SS benefits, support the confirmation of John Roberts, think Antonin Scalia is the ideal justice and favor ballistic missile defense.

I also support the death penalty, oppose affirmative action, oppose gay marriage and think that the Roe v. Wade decision was a farce. I could go on but the point is made -- I'm a conservative....

But, I also accept the truth that the human species has a pre-history and I support stem cell research and I think that keeping Terri Schiavo's existance without life going was cruel and sadistic. That feeding tube should've never been inserted 14 years ago.

As a result of all of this, I now find myself in a position that I would have never dreamed of 5 or 10 years ago which is that I object to Hillary Clinton far, far less than I object to Tom Delay. Or Rick Santorum. Or Sam Brownback. Or Tom Tancredi.

Hopefully, Rudy Guiliani will be the nominee in '08 and make this all a moot point but if he isn't then I'm confronted with the possibility that I'll probably vote for Hillary Clinton despite the fact that she stands against so much that I believe in.

If there are others like me out there, and I think there are, then get ready for a 2nd Clinton Administration.


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To: Monkey Face

Solly pouted.

I use liver cheese to give their pills in.

They both get a twice a day treat now.

Jackie is banned from the active dog life for a while.

No stairs, no running, no tug of war....


1,181 posted on 08/05/2005 4:40:35 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Conservatives are from Earth. Liberals are from Uranus.(c))
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To: SandyInSeattle

Adults are so regal (except for when they walk)

Babies are just too cute...


1,182 posted on 08/05/2005 4:41:29 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Conservatives are from Earth. Liberals are from Uranus.(c))
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To: TASMANIANRED

support. medical.


1,183 posted on 08/05/2005 4:42:51 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: Darksheare

that's the Aurora Australis


1,184 posted on 08/05/2005 4:44:07 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: Asphalt

Perhaps. Maybe they're just waiting for my new ping banner. *\;-)


1,185 posted on 08/05/2005 4:47:12 PM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || Trad-Ang Ping: I read the dreck so you don't have to || Iran Azadi)
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To: sionnsar; King Prout; SandyInSeattle; TASMANIANRED; NicknamedBob; tuliptree76

Hi, Gang! Bye, Gang!

It's not as bad as last night's storm but it's a monsoon, complete with all the fireworks, so I'm outta here.

Just about the time you all seem to be recovering from your day, I have to leave. Take care all of you, and I'll talk to you tomorrow.

;o]


1,186 posted on 08/05/2005 5:02:32 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: King Prout

Prouty, that's where all the Dems should go to study global warming. We should drop them off and let them find their own way back.


1,187 posted on 08/05/2005 5:03:41 PM PDT by Lady Jag (Honor - Dignity - Courage)
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To: TASMANIANRED

Not feeling bad. OldTax-lady took my Sally (5) to see "March of the Penguins" this afternoon. They liked it.


1,188 posted on 08/05/2005 5:10:03 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Liberals: Too stupid to realize Dick Cheney is the real Dark Lord.)
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To: KMB

Tancredo calls for impeachment of Booosh on O'reilly!!!!


1,189 posted on 08/05/2005 5:11:21 PM PDT by johnb838 (In peace sons bury their fathers. In time of war, fathers bury their sons.)
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To: King Prout

Beautiful.


1,190 posted on 08/05/2005 5:12:36 PM PDT by squarebarb
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To: Tax-chick

I have heard the penguin flick is the best offering of the summer.

Penguins have it tough.

Glad you are feeling generally well.


1,191 posted on 08/05/2005 5:14:11 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Conservatives are from Earth. Liberals are from Uranus.(c))
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To: NicknamedBob
"I ain't gonna do it. You do it!"

Don't look at me. I get in enough trouble as it is.

What they do not see they can not zap.

;hide in corner:

1,192 posted on 08/05/2005 5:15:15 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Warning: May bite (Adjusts tin foil hat with stylish copper lining))
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To: TASMANIANRED

It's been very hot here. By the middle of September, I should be in the best of shape, pregnancy and climate-wise.


1,193 posted on 08/05/2005 5:15:52 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Liberals: Too stupid to realize Dick Cheney is the real Dark Lord.)
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To: tuliptree76

Well, it is a nice afternoon, but I got terrible news today.

A friend I've had since High School has passed away at their home.

They were very obese and had been sick with other things as well.

So, pretty day out here in CA, but a bit of a bummer because of that death.

The person has started using the gym and was trying to start to lose the weight.

Sigh!

Oh well, nobody survives life, but this has to be tormenting his mother.


1,194 posted on 08/05/2005 5:25:28 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Tax-chick

It is sweltering here as well.

Weather should ease up as your pregnancy advances.

August birthing Moms have it tough.


1,195 posted on 08/05/2005 6:03:59 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Conservatives are from Earth. Liberals are from Uranus.(c))
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To: Monkey Face

Hi 'Face. I should be here tomorrow.


1,196 posted on 08/05/2005 6:23:23 PM PDT by tuliptree76 (I'm sailing on the wide accountancy.)
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To: A CA Guy

Hi Guy. I'm sorry for the loss of your friend. Prayers sent for his family and friends.


1,197 posted on 08/05/2005 6:24:23 PM PDT by tuliptree76 (I'm sailing on the wide accountancy.)
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To: A CA Guy

Reminds me of how I lost my oldest brother.

He didn't believe he was "obese", until I suggested that he calculate his excess weight in terms of bowling balls. The big ones!

Then he started on a program, and his graphic reminder was a sketch of the excess bowling balls, like a bar chart.

His plan was to X them out as he worked his way to health.

Apparently, coronary arterial occlusion had a different procedure to deal with the problem. By the time that problem had been recognized, the damage had been done.

Mom took it pretty hard. He had been a good son.

He'd been a good brother, too.


He liked to hug. I can still feel his embrace.


Life. Lessons sure come hard, even for those who pay attention.

Just remember you aren't standing alone.


1,198 posted on 08/05/2005 6:27:58 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: NicknamedBob
Lost an Uncle that way. Quit smoking. Started eating right. Was losing weight at a reasonable pace. Started joggin at lunch every day.

Heart gave out on him on the steps of his workplace after a run.

I'm feelin' a tad worried about my own physical state these days. I haven't really had a good workout in almost a year now.

1,199 posted on 08/06/2005 5:32:13 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: Dead Corpse

1200?


1,200 posted on 08/06/2005 5:32:24 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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