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The DUmmie "William Pitt"
scamdy ^ | July 11, 2005 | the dread adminf

Posted on 07/11/2005 7:54:25 AM PDT by franksolich

For those watching the DUmmie "William Pitt" this past week was surely a wondrous one, full of explosive fireworks, on the heels of several weeks of utter silence on this subject from the DUmmie "William Pitt."

It appears the DUmmie "William Pitt" finally read what had been said about him.....about four weeks too late.

The guy is hurt, angry, insulted, and it showed.

This is reminescent of a similar event about nine weeks ago, when the acolytes of Andrew Stephenson finally discovered the DUmmie FUnnies, and were alas for them three weeks too late.

One suspects that during his weeks of silence on the matter, the DUmmie "William Pitt" had been ignoring the DUmmie FUnnies, the DUmmie Alert!s, and conservativeunderground, voluntarily unaware that such places were commenting upon his silence.

This has always mystified--and sometimes amused--me, this propensity of some segments in our society to ignore the "political opposition" as if it did not exist, or did not count.

It should be no wonder they keep losing elections.

Okay, so I am a Republican and a conservative, and hang around a great deal on Republican and conservative web-sites.....but I hang around a lot more on Democratic and liberal web-sites, to see what is going on, on the other side of the aisle.

Many people (of all political stripes) tend to hang around those whose values and perceptions match their own, for affirmation of those values and perceptions; by being along with like-thinking people, they feel strengthened, reinforced.

But a truly confident person has no need for "team support;" strong enough in his values and confident of his perceptions, he feels utterly unthreatened scouting around for values and perceptions different from his own.

Perhaps the DUmmie "William Pitt" is unsure and shaky in his own political convictions, and so as to reinforce them, hangs around with his own crowd, fearful of looking into what another crowd is doing or saying, lest his political convictions get shattered.

Which is no sign of a person confident about himself.

And it has obvious disadvantages, not looking at what "other side" is saying or doing.

When the DUmmiette "sfexpat2000" started the fund-raiser the afternoon of April 28, 2005, she should have posted her solicitation in DUmmieland, and immediately parked herself in front of the DUmmie FUnnies, to see what was being said about the matter, from the other side. If she had done that, the acolytes of Andrew Stephenson would have been aware of their missteps, their contradicitons, their omissions, in time to correct such things.

But no, instead, the DUmmiette "sfexpat2000" hung around her own crowd, in the comfortable cocoon of DUmmieland, voluntarily unaware of the furor outside, and the acolytes of Andrew Stephenson were three weeks--three weeks!--three weeks!--three weeks!--too late in seeing what the DUmmie FUnnies were saying about the matter, after which it was far too late to correct matters.

Such behavior--not looking to see what is going on in the great big wide world outside--I had compared with four affluent old dowagers (and remember, with only one exception, the acolytes of Andrew Stephenson are not young) gathering for their Wednesday afternoon bridge game, in an affluent living room with large picture-windows on all four sides.

While the rich old ladies gab and gossip around the card-table, in that living room with large windows all around, a tornado suddenly sweeps though.....and they indignantly wonder what had hit them.

The situation of the DUmmie "William Pitt" is more analogous to that of a post-office clerk in Germany the spring of 1945 (this is a true story, told me a long time ago by a British army veteran who had actually seen the sight); the guy so meticulous, so scrupulous in his duties, that he was unaware of the wider world outside.

While the post-office clerk was noting the number of staples, sheets of paper, various denominations of postage stamps, the metal and paper contents of the till, the British army swept through his town; much destruction, shooting, explosions, buildings falling down.

But the post-office clerk was so diligent in his tasks that he remained oblivious, utterly ignorant, of the noise and tumult and fire and smoke outside his front window, until he had finished accounting for the final pencil-stub and paper-clip.

Only then did he look up, look outside the windows upon his destroyed village, and in stunned shock and awe, stuttered, "What happened?"


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Humor
KEYWORDS: andy; andystephenson; dummie; dummies; pitt; williampitt; willpitt
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To: stylin19a

As for his "lifestyle," I see a lot of things that would have messed up his chances for recovery.

A flashy, flamboyant, gregarious, outgoing, extravagant, social persona that might discount medical advice; a guy who needs to be "busy" when he should better be resting, recovering.

A liberal, who thinks he can do whatever he wishes to do, with no consequences.

His friends using cellular telephones near sensitive medical equipment, interfering with that equipment.

That all adds up pretty good.


41 posted on 07/11/2005 9:44:42 AM PDT by franksolich (standing by Britain)
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To: ahayes

What a strange obituary.


42 posted on 07/11/2005 9:50:37 AM PDT by rwrcpa1 (April 15. Let's make it just another day.)
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To: franksolich
Dang man, the guy is dead. Don't you have any sense of decency? You were wrong, and you trumpetted your mistaken assumptions all over Free Republic. Are you a shill or what?

Piss off.

43 posted on 07/11/2005 9:58:06 AM PDT by Jack of all Trades
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To: Jack of all Trades

What was I--and so many others--wrong about, sir?

The "issue" is an "issue," not a person.


44 posted on 07/11/2005 10:00:04 AM PDT by franksolich (standing by Britain)
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To: Charles Henrickson

Although there are several individual DU posters who specifically blame FR for Andy's death, it's my understanding that the "official" line is that it's CU's fault.


45 posted on 07/11/2005 10:04:02 AM PDT by Melpomene
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To: Jack of all Trades

I can understand how someone who didn't follow everything could feel the way you do.

This issue is very complicated and convoluted, and unless you understand it all perhaps you should reserve judgement.


46 posted on 07/11/2005 10:04:18 AM PDT by KJC1
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To: gidget7

Along with his lifestyle, or maybe as a newer component of his lifestyle, Andy quite taking care of himself after getting fired from BBV.

Instead of working to support and take care of himself, he allowed others to take care of him via donations. Then he started substituting the judgment of others for his own when he decided to delay his surgery for a chance to get in on this vaccine trial that never materialized.

It became more important to him to preform for this audience then to take time to heal. Even after 7.5 hours of major surgery!

In a way, Andy became a living ghost, his own doppleganger. The more he allowed others to take care of him, the less he was.

And why should he have taken care of himself when so many others were willing to step in?


47 posted on 07/11/2005 10:08:04 AM PDT by Duke Nukum (To thine own self be true...or relatively true. --Guy Caballero)
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To: Jack of all Trades
Yes, your attempt to vilify any one who continues to seek answers to the questions certainly puts everyone's suspicions about this online fund-raising scheme to rest. Maybe you should take your concerns over to DU as well. There hasn't been any "decency" about it over there, that is for sure.

And you really should be more specific about what "mistaken assumptions" you are talking about.

A "shill"? Go ask Mr. Pitt about being a "shill", as I have little understanding of specifics of that job description.

P.S. Your profanity does little to convince anyone of your sincerity, "Jack of all Trades".
48 posted on 07/11/2005 10:20:37 AM PDT by MisterRepublican ("I am not at all comfortable going to Andy for confirmation of anything."- William Rivers Pitt)
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To: franksolich

Stephenson succumbed to a fatal illness. Money was raised for his treatment.

Hovering over the cadaver hoping to pin some blame for improprieties in fund raising, or parsing what was said regarding the nature of the illness is in very poor taste.

If you're in a crusade against Pitt, DU, the wacko left, or whomever, your credibility sure got slaughtered in this battle.


49 posted on 07/11/2005 10:36:08 AM PDT by Jack of all Trades
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To: KJC1

So then, to all but 100 or so people, this all looks pretty goulish.


50 posted on 07/11/2005 10:37:03 AM PDT by Jack of all Trades
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To: Jack of all Trades
If you're in a crusade against Pitt, DU, the wacko left, or whomever, your credibility sure got slaughtered in this battle.

How so???
51 posted on 07/11/2005 11:08:58 AM PDT by ReeWalker (Life isn't fair...GET OVER IT!!!)
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To: ReeWalker

Dittp, how so?? This person sounds like a leftie, calling compassion and looking into wrongdoing, "hate"


52 posted on 07/11/2005 11:25:38 AM PDT by gidget7 (Get GLSEN out of our schools!!!!!!)
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To: Charles Henrickson; franksolich

I am just going to make one more comment about this situation and then I am going to consider it closed as far as I am concerned.



First to Andy's families and friends that may see this, I would like to express my deepest sympathy for your loss and am praying for his soul.




And to Will Pitt and his friends that may see this, this is a chronology of how I reached the destination that I did.

When I first started reading the pleas on DU for donations to support Andy so that he didn't have to work I thought to myself "What dummies!, They think they just got ripped off by BBV and now they will probably fall in line for this."

Then came the calls to pleas for donations for medical assistance and I thought to myself "What hypocrites!".

Then came the information that it was a deadly pancreatic cancer and that time was of the urgency. So I backed off any criticism and considered contributing if it had been a trust fund to take care of medical bills. But I don't contribute to 'personal accounts' and am leary about putting my credit card number on the internet.

Then came the announcement on May 10th, or thereabouts, that Johns Hopkins had cancelled surgery because of 'lost checks'. And that raised a red flag to me. There may have been a simple explanation of how an institution like Johns Hopkins could schedule an OR and a surgical team for a 7 hour operation and then cancel on the day of the surgery but it is beyond my understanding at this point. And, in addition, I would think that the patient would have been admitted to the hospital the day before for tests and prep. But that may not be true anymore. So I became very skeptical at this point but refrained from any comments.

Then came Will Pitt's May 17 rants on DU and I became even more skeptical. And Will Pitt's absence from any Andy threads after that 'convinced' me that something was wrong with this situation. And Will Pitt may now claim that he posted a different opinion later on some obscure web site but I don't recall him ever posting a different opinion on DU. His ego may think that everyone hangs on his every word where ever he may post it. But that is only his ego, not reality.

And then the lockdown on DU and DU'ers going elsewhere to raise questions. And those questions not being answered with explanations, but with profanity and threats.

And then I saw the heartbreak of some very needy people who had been talked into donating by the tug on the emotions by Will Pitt and the other shills. And I got sort of pissed about this. The elites of DU and other far left sites who claim to be for the needy, while 'conservatives are heartless bastards', but don't mind the needy supporting them.
I channelled that anger into a couple of attempts at parody instead of profanity and threats. But it didn't go over well so I stopped.

And now I see Will Pitt is trying to disassociate himself from being the cause of any of the furor. Even when reminded by DUers of his words, his ego will not let him admit that it was he, more than anyone else, who let most of us down the path to this destination.


53 posted on 07/11/2005 11:30:16 AM PDT by kydurby
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To: Jack of all Trades

Nobody here is in a crusade against or for anything but accountability and the truth. To this day the only confirmed diganosis is a BENIGN ENCAPSULATED TUMOR. No accounting of funds...hell, technically speaking, we don't even have a confirmation of death, only what's been reported at DU and written by one Andyite reporter in some low circulation Seattle weekly. If you're bothered by the conversation go somewhere else, there's plenty of other threads on FR.

Cindie


54 posted on 07/11/2005 11:30:42 AM PDT by gardencatz ("ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL, BUT SOME ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS" (Orwell))
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To: Jack of all Trades
Thanks for the input, Jack of all Tirades, but Andy died of a staph infection from a surgical procedure, not from pancreatic cancer. So no, in other words, no one here has been proven wrong. However, if you can prove us wrong, go ahead. If you can't, as I suspect, then go take your own advice and piss off.
55 posted on 07/11/2005 11:36:03 AM PDT by Chappaquiddick Crawdad ("E unum pluribus"? Perhaps you meant "ex uno plures", or is that "stultus sum"? hmmm...)
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To: gidget7; ReeWalker; Duke Nukum; Charles Henrickson; SCALEMAN

Very curious, from March 2004, when John Ashcroft was diagnosed for problems with the pancreas.

Saved for posterity, by the way.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1197069#1197428

Well worth examining.


56 posted on 07/11/2005 11:39:16 AM PDT by franksolich (standing by Britain)
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To: franksolich

William Pitt has been discussed here for years and years. Didn't he used to appear on CNN? Heh..until someone informed them that he posted vitriolic idiocy at DU.


57 posted on 07/11/2005 11:43:42 AM PDT by lainie
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To: gardencatz

Was it you that maintained the timeline of everything? Wasn't lala_raw from DU going to sue everyone in sight at Hopkins for losing the checks?

Trying to tidy up some loose ends in my mind here. The "lost-checks" story seems to have fallen down the memory hole - it's all FR-CU-Scamdy's fault now.


58 posted on 07/11/2005 11:45:34 AM PDT by nina0113
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To: franksolich

Interesting find.


59 posted on 07/11/2005 11:45:41 AM PDT by gate2wire (We Honor Those Who Serve---WE REMEMBER--Thank you)
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To: gate2wire

Yes indeed it is a very interesting find.


60 posted on 07/11/2005 11:46:43 AM PDT by franksolich (standing by Britain)
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