Posted on 06/02/2005 2:43:27 PM PDT by lowbridge
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-02-05 03:55 PM Response to Reply #19
29. the OCCUPYING INVADERS are raping TORTURING and MURDERING civilians
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-02-05 03:55 PM Response to Reply #19
26. The point my myopic little friend is that if the US forces were not there bombing the living piss out of everything that moves, there would not be an insurgency. There would be nothing for them to insurge against.
Is that clear enough for you?
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Grooner Five (189 posts) Thu Jun-02-05 03:59 PM Response to Reply #26
38. Steer your self-righteous anger elswhere, Sugar.
You're debating the past. I'm living in the present. Surely you don't want to see an insurgency win in Iraq by force, when a clear majority of Iraqis are striving for peaceful self-governance under the existing structure?
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-02-05 04:04 PM Response to Reply #38
53. LMAO . . . ummm do you pay ANY attention to what is actually happening in Iraq? Any at all? Or do you watch Fox News and get all your information from there?
US troops kill innocent civilians on a regular basis in Iraq. Just the other day, a girl was shot and killed by US troops. Just a few weeks ago, a girl and her siblings had the brains of their parents blown all over the place in front of them.
I'm debating the present. You are presenting nothing but a one-sided view with very little basis in fact.
Over 100,000 civilians have died in Iraq as a result of the US invasion. They would be alive today if the US were not there. PERIOD.
Every time an Iraqi civilian is killed by US troops, their entire extended family become "insurgents". That's the way it works. People don't just grab their guns and say "I'm going to be an insurgent." They have motivations. They have no jobs because US contractors have taken them all. They have no resources because they've been blown up and not rebuilt.
You need to take a step back from your blindness and evaluate the entirety of the situation.
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Stand and Fight (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-02-05 03:50 PM Response to Original message
10. WRONG.
The "insurgents" are Iraqi patriots. Don't like the term patriot? Tough. Because there's a little history behind that term in our own country. You do know that our founding fathers were also called insurgents, and that we referred to them as patriots? Just who the hell are you rooting for? Bush, Cheney, Halliburton? I'm not rooting for the insurgents, but I sure as hell know that what the Neo-Cons are doing is EVIL. The insurgents want to banish the Neo-Cons' evil from their land. Can you blame them?
I won't even go into the specifics of just how wrong you are, because I am positive that there are people on here who can do a far better job than I can. I'll just say it again very clearly:
You and the author are totally WRONG.
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Grooner Five (189 posts) Thu Jun-02-05 03:54 PM Response to Reply #10
24. What aboutpulling for the folks who voted in their elections?
They had a higher turnout than we did last time. I want what they want.
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-02-05 03:57 PM Response to Reply #24
33. You don't really know much about those "elections" do you? n/t
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-02-05 03:57 PM Response to Reply #24
34. lol
don't drink the kool-aide... it's simply catapulted PROPAGANDA.
peace
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Stand and Fight (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-02-05 03:58 PM Response to Reply #24
36. That election was bullshit.
It was bullshit because the violence has not stopped in Iraq. In fact, it has actually increased. Did it ever occur to you that their election may have been a complete god-damn sham? Did it ever occur to you that maybe they voted with the misconception that the Americans would then get the hell out of THEIR country?
Get a fucking grip.
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amBushed (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-02-05 04:02 PM Response to Reply #24
49. Are you sure you want what they want? Do you have a clue?
The Shiites all voted. The Kurds all voted. The Sunnis did not vote. The "election" was a sham.
The Shiites want a theocratic Iraq based on Islamic law. They will be aligned with Iran.
The Kurds want an independent Kurdistan. This will lead to a war with Turkey and civil war inside Iraq.
The Sunnis want control back. They will fight to the end to get it.
The "elections" mean civil war in Iraq.
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FLDem5 (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-02-05 04:08 PM Response to Reply #24
61. they want the armed forces to stop killing them
they want to help rebuild their own country - but we won't let them, only Haliburton/KBR get that privilege. So the unemployment rate is hovering at about 50%. No wonder they are killing civilian contractors - they want them out so they can get JOBS other than joining the Iraqi Army or Police - where they will get KILLED. "BuzzFlash: Is it true that the reconstruction money is being spent on employing American companies like Halliburton and that the Iraqi unemployment rate is 50%?
Riverbend: It is true. The Iraqi unemployment rate is atrocious. People literally wander the streets looking for some sort of employment. Factories have shut down, companies, ministries, etc. and the decision to disband the Iraqi army has resulted in hundreds of thousands of unemployed Iraqis. Many Iraqis currently graduating from college spend months and months looking for work, even if it isn't related to what they studied.
Many American companies are getting millions of dollars for reconstruction contracts and then giving the work to Iraqi sub-contractors who have 'relations.' Reconstruction work right now is not about the good job a contractor can do, but just who he is related to or how many people he's bribed to get the contract. This has resulted in shoddy work, and millions of dollars literally going to waste, because the contract is given to American companies for very large sums of money and then to Iraqi sub-contractors for a pittance.
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/print.asp?ID=3000
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Riverbend: The White House makes it very simple when talking about the insurgency -- foreign, Islamic terrorists. It's hardly that simple. I guess most Iraqis believe there is resistance and there is terror. Resistance is coming from various sources -- former Iraqi army people, Islamists, Ba'athists, nationalists and ordinary people who hate this new way of life Iraqis are being relegated to. Terror is also coming from various sources and in many cases it is a complete mystery. Many people believe the attacks against the police force and security forces are the work of outsiders or people who want Iraqis to hate the resistance. It's difficult to tell at this point just what is going on. Some attacks are meant to cause sectarian violence between Sunnis and Shia, but those are quite easy to see through (for example the bombing of Sunni mosques or Shia Husseiniyas) and Iraqis have proven over the last two years that they are far too tolerant to fall for such underhanded techniques."
I am pretty sure they want control back of their natural resources (oil) - who is making money off of it right now???
These guys are more amusing that the "409" scammers you've ensnared...
So you've given up on the Ngerians, and are now scamming DUers? BTW..did you see the thread today about a Nigerian Freeper? soliciting via Freepmail..they want revenge on you..It's all YOUR fault
No. There's too big a line ahead of me. Bev, Andy, Skinner, etc.
Now there's a word you don't see every day !!! LOL
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