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60 years ago - victory over Nazi-Germany - your feelings

Posted on 05/16/2005 11:20:04 AM PDT by GoethesFaust

Hello there!

I am new to this forum. I am from Germany and I am interested in politics. I want to learn more from the US especially besides our papers and TV.

So as a start-up my question is: What do you think about WWII? Was everything such simple. Have there been certain interests of the Allies? What was the role of the UK? Was Germany the biggest danger or was it Russia?

Many question, I know. :) But more interesting for me: What is your point of view regarding Germany today? How do you consider the current politics of Germany?

And...of course, I would appreciate questions from your side.

Best regards from Germany GF


TOPICS: History; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: germanpolitics; germany; kittybait; veday; worldwar2; wwii
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1 posted on 05/16/2005 11:20:05 AM PDT by GoethesFaust
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To: GoethesFaust

"He who does not learn from history is doomed to repeat it."


2 posted on 05/16/2005 11:21:49 AM PDT by thoughtomator (A government-funded artist is an incompetent whore)
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To: GoethesFaust

The Germans were a great people betrayed and destroyed by their willingness to follow vainglorious and insane leaders. I blame the strain of irrational romanticism in the German character for this disastrous wrong turn. I say this as someone who is of half German ancestry with a strong if imperfect affection for German culture.


3 posted on 05/16/2005 11:24:29 AM PDT by Argus (Omnia taglinea in tres partes divisa est.)
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To: GoethesFaust

Churchill saved the world. He stood up to nearly impossible odds and won. Victory in Europe belongs to England... and Churchill.

I'm a little annoyed at current German politics. I saw a poll that claimed that the majority of Germans think that what the Israeli's are doing today is the same as what the Germans did in the Holocaust. Is this ignorance? Moral Relativism? Or just plain denial?


4 posted on 05/16/2005 11:24:57 AM PDT by Betaille (Harry Potter is a Right-Winger)
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To: GoethesFaust
So as a start-up my question is: What do you think about WWII?

Wish it never happened but was unavoidable once HITLER invaded Poland.

Was everything such simple.

Yes. After Hitler crybabied for annexation of the Sudentland which he got in 1938, he INVADED the rest of Czechoslovia a few months later despite promises not to do so. Not satisfied with that, in August 1939, after making sure he would find no opposition from the Soviets and agreeing to split up Poland with the Russians, he flat out invaded Poland WITHOUT provocation. Or do you actually believe that bogus story about Polish soldiers taking over a German radio station?

Have there been certain interests of the Allies?

Rephrase question. Do not understand.

What was the role of the UK?

Stood up ALONE in Europe to the Germans while France captitulated and the Soviet Union cooperated with the Germans.

Was Germany the biggest danger or was it Russia?

First Germany was the biggest danger. Then Russia. And remember, please don't start major wars again. You learn that lesson then all will be okay.

5 posted on 05/16/2005 11:38:13 AM PDT by PJ-Comix (Join the DUmmie FUnnies PING List for the FUNNIEST Blog on the Web)
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To: GoethesFaust
What do you think about WWII?

It was a great tragedy for everyone concerned.

Was everything such simple.

Absolutely. The Nazis, the Soviets and the Japanese were intent on evil. The US and the UK responded to aggressive attacks from these evil governments.

Have there been certain interests of the Allies?

The Allies had two "interests": peace and freedom.

What was the role of the UK?

It was twofold: an appeaser under Chamberlain, a defender of freedom under Churchill.

Was Germany the biggest danger or was it Russia?

Germany.

What is your point of view regarding Germany today?

That it is a weak country that has surrendered its Christian past to secularism and its dignity and autonomy to the EU.

How do you consider the current politics of Germany?

I consider it scandalous that Germany is content to be a spectator when the world is locked in a struggle between freedom and Islamic barbarism.

6 posted on 05/16/2005 11:38:54 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: GoethesFaust
We have mixed feelings, my dad flew 47 B17 missions out of England against Germany and lost thousands of men in the process. Germans were great people who did the worst thing for the most "cultured" country in the world at the time.
We are over it and after the Russians took over East Germany we became great friends of Germany. Today we consider you one of the Democracy's of Europe.
7 posted on 05/16/2005 11:41:31 AM PDT by pwatson
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60 years ago - victory over Nazi-Germany - your feelings

Feelings?

We should have took out the Russians and Chinese shortly after the Germans and Japs were defeated while we had the atomic advantage. It would have actually saved alot of Polish, Russian, Chinese, Tibetan, Czech, Vietnamese, Romanian, Lithuaian, Laoian, Korean, (enter country that was dissemated by communism here) lives and prevented alot of suffering looking back. Oh, and MacArthur was right...the U.S. should've strung up every commie bastard post WWII, starting with roosevelt's VP A. Hiss.

8 posted on 05/16/2005 11:52:10 AM PDT by BureaucratusMaximus (Socialists are blessed with the desire to serve others. That's why most of them work @ McDonalds)
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To: Argus

Yes, ok, I think most of the Germans have the same understanding about that chapter today. But please consider the bad circumstances: The Versailler contract. Just to mention one.


9 posted on 05/16/2005 12:26:56 PM PDT by GoethesFaust
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To: Betaille

I think many people feel chased by jewish people today for their history and they are just sick of it. There are hundred paes of Hitler in our history books but a very few of the rest. TV and the papers a full of stories of the holcaust and so on. I mean remembering is correct and necessary. Especially to avoid such thing in the future. But it is too much here. And i think for some Germans the conflict between the Israelis and the Palestinians is a way of "paying back" for that "threatment". You know what I mean?


10 posted on 05/16/2005 12:33:45 PM PDT by GoethesFaust
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To: thoughtomator

Well, my intention is to answer every post here but with this one I have problems. Or do you mean the problems of the US Army in the Iraq compared with the ones in Vietnam?


11 posted on 05/16/2005 12:35:48 PM PDT by GoethesFaust
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To: GoethesFaust

Not sure what you mean by Israeli-palestinian conflict being payback.


12 posted on 05/16/2005 12:37:14 PM PDT by Betaille (Harry Potter is a Right-Winger)
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To: wideawake

I do not agree on the statement that the reasons for WWII have been that simple.

I think there was some kind of commercial war between the UK and Germany and the UK was seeking for a solution. So for my opinion just talking about freedom is to simple.

Do not misunderstood. I do not agree on what happened in the past. Especially I do not understand the force against the Jews.

But more important is to face the future now. So I agree on your statement regarding the EU and the weakness and I think we are going to break Europe with our own immigration politics - we import the Islam to all European contries at the moment. This is going to be TNT withtin the next ten years.


13 posted on 05/16/2005 12:47:30 PM PDT by GoethesFaust
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To: GoethesFaust; Admin Moderator

Caught one in my troll trap!


14 posted on 05/16/2005 12:53:40 PM PDT by thoughtomator (A government-funded artist is an incompetent whore)
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To: Betaille

I mean they are thinking like: Hey, you (the Jews) are doing things like shooting Palestinian kids who are only equipped with stones and you are going ahead with tanks and choppers. They are "happy" about finding a "mistake" on their side. That´s what I mean with "payback".

Of course this is a very simple view and I bet the first time a German tastes the flavour of a bomb placed by a religious fanatic or so he will be radically change his mind regarding home/country protection.


15 posted on 05/16/2005 12:55:35 PM PDT by GoethesFaust
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To: thoughtomator

Please try to post something which is really worth to reply on. I am interested in a diskussion and I am interessted to learn something about the US point of view to several things. Or is your next suggestion to forward me to demacraticunderground.com as I dared to mention problems of teh army in Iraq? Sorry guy, but if I wasn´t a little bit pro US I wouldn´t make any post here, believe me.


16 posted on 05/16/2005 1:01:15 PM PDT by GoethesFaust
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To: GoethesFaust

Don't come here and lie to us. You're clearly interested only in painting the US as the bad guy, and making excuses for German behavior in WW2.


17 posted on 05/16/2005 1:20:37 PM PDT by thoughtomator (A government-funded artist is an incompetent whore)
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To: GoethesFaust

I remember being in the Tetons and meeting up with a German tourist, who asked me something to the effect of, "This country, the US, is so big. Why fight with Germany?" I remembered the Jews and Pearl Harbor and Hitler and the Blitz and Dunkirk and El Alamein and Sicily, and decided the guy just didn't get it.

Here we are again, oddly enough, but many people don't want to fight for their wooden shoes, or tea and crumpets or croissants, or apple pie anymore, or so it seems. So it appears they'll all be eating couscous or rice and beans or lo mein.


18 posted on 05/16/2005 1:23:21 PM PDT by combat_boots (Dug in and not budging an inch. NOT to be schiavoed, greered, or felosed as a patient)
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To: GoethesFaust

We left the Vietnamese high and dry. We won the battles and lost the war because of lack of interest back home, along with outright cowardice and traitorism. These people depended on our loyalty and dedication, and we ran, making them pay with their lives.

The difference between them and Iraq is that now, if we leave too soon, we'll pay with our lives, as will Europe.


19 posted on 05/16/2005 1:28:02 PM PDT by combat_boots (Dug in and not budging an inch. NOT to be schiavoed, greered, or felosed as a patient)
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To: combat_boots

It was not my intention to compare Vietnam with Iraq. It was just a kind of cyniscm as a reaction of a silly posting from one user here.


20 posted on 05/16/2005 1:35:40 PM PDT by GoethesFaust
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