Posted on 05/12/2005 5:55:18 PM PDT by JesseJane
Carnegie Endowment for International Peace
Global Policy Program
International Migration Policy Program /event
On February 15, 2001, the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace International Migration Policy Program hosted a breakfast briefing featuring three members of the U.S.-Mexico Migration Panel, which released a report on February 14 to U.S. President George W. Bush and Mexican President Vicente Fox including proposals to change and improve the relationship of the U.S. and Mexico regarding migration. Speakers included Demetri Papademetriou, Co-Director of the International Migration Policy Program and the U.S. Convenor of the panel; Frank Sharry, Executive Director of the National Immigration Forum; and B. Lindsay Lowell, Director of Research at Georgetown University's Institute for the Study of International Migration. Deborah W. Meyers, Associate at the International Migration Policy Program, was the moderator.
Demetri Papademetriou commented on the general themes and goals of the panel. The panel avoided making detailed proposals which would only suffer the "death of a thousand cuts," like many proposals do in Washington. It is detailed enough to provide the main principles for discussion and policy and offers several broad ideas. The panel is trying to take advantage of the meeting on February 16 between Presidents Bush and Fox. Papademetriou emphasized that the panel's work is a truly bilateral effort. The report gives an image of how the panel visualizes a different relationship with Mexico and emphasizes the need for a package of integrated proposals and cooperative efforts between the two countries, rather than unilateral single-issue policies. It considers the confluence of economics, demographics, and politics on the issue of migration. In the area of politics, the two new presidents are both former governors and businessmen who understand that their economies are highly integrated and interdependent. Since 1994, two-way trade between the U.S. and Mexico has tripled; Mexico is the U.S.'s second largest trading partner. Labor markets are also integrated. Policy-makers must think regionally, starting with NAFTA. Papademetriou stated that if there is not a commitment to most of the ideas in the report, the policy cannot be successful in changing the terms of the debate over the U.S.-Mexico relationship. The panel has a firm conviction that the status quo has created a black market which undermines law enforcement and causes too many deaths. Frank Sharry spoke next. He said that the panel has been working on the report for six months and included a variety of perspectives. The panel's members wanted to ask if there was a way to refashion the debate about migration between the U.S. and Mexico. They also wanted their proposals to respond to reality. The panel's report calls on the U.S. and Mexico to craft a "grand bargain" that would be mutually beneficial, make migration safe, legal, orderly, and predictable, and decrease migratory pressures over time. The report calls for a reconceptualization of the border as a "line of convergence rather than a line of defense." Sharry listed the four main principles suggested by the panel to guide future discussions:
1. Improve the treatment of Mexican migrants by making legal visas and legal status more widely available and making legality the norm. The panel tried not to be very detailed and wanted to state premises to guide policy-making rather than promote specific policies. One way to make legality the norm is to institute legalizing mechanisms; some examples might be expanding and expediting family visas, expanding work visas, and implementing temporary worker programs. Temporary migration programs should be in response to measurable market needs and should meet certain criteria: equitable labor rights that can be meaningfully enforced, social and health protections, and reasonable options for temporary migrants who qualify to apply for permanent residency. The panel feels that only legalizing migrants in the U.S. or only providing more legal means for those who wish to come to the U.S. will perpetuate the unacceptable status quo; both must be addressed.
2. Call on Mexico to collaborate with the U.S. to reduce illegal migration. There should be cooperative efforts to crack down on smuggling organizations and work together to protect human rights in the border area.
3. Governments should work together to build a viable border region.
4. The long-term solution is the growth of the Mexican economy. Mexico has acknowledged that it must take primary responsibility for its development; however, the NAFTA partners and certain financial institutions should help. Remittance-based development programs are among options to reach this goal.
Sharry emphasized that picking and choosing the elements in the report is likely to undermine the overall effort's effectiveness. Lindsay Lowell said that it is an appropriate time for these issues to be addressed due in part to current and likely future demographics. The Mexican economy is growing rapidly and generating more jobs. Lowell said he sees three particularly important points in the report. The first is that it is a bilateral, grand bargain; the Mexican government is willing to make a change from its past non-involvement in the issue. Second, the report is a whole package whose elements must be taken together. Third, the report suggests incremental action; it is not recommending that the two governments open the border now.
Lowell said that the U.S. must deal with the Mexican migrant population already living in the U.S. There are many ways to address that issue; expanding family visas and work visas is something to discuss and may be among the ways to help solve the issue. The panel also calls for pilot temporary worker programs. The key is Mexico's greater cooperation; the report does not call for elimination of border controls but for an increase in cooperation of many types along the border. Human rights at the border are also important; there must be an effort to stop deaths at the border. The U.S. should facilitate the flow of legal migration. Also, Mexican economic development is important; remittances alone cannot accomplish it, and certain banks and microcredit organizations should be involved.
Meyers said that the U.S. has two neighbors and must consider how these policies affect Canada, as well. The report proposes equal treatment for Mexico and Canada and special treatment for both countries; perhaps Mexico and Canada should be exempt from the normal immigration formula
Summary by Kerry Boyd
I couldn't find it in Newsmax's archives, nor in the summer of 2004's Economist. Oh well. But the article in your original post which started it all is locatable -- and maddening enough! I wish more people would wake up to this before it's too late -- if it's not already.
KK,
I still HAVE the actual magazine where this appeared.
I just contacted NewsMax Magazine at 1-800-485-4349 and spoke with customer service. They do have a copy available for sale. $4.95 + $5.95shipping&handling.
KK,
I still HAVE the actual magazine where this appeared.
I just contacted NewsMax Magazine at 1-800-485-4349 and spoke with customer service. They do have a copy available for sale. $4.95 + $5.95shipping&handling.
1-Improve the treatment of Mexican migrants." Okay-but first they must renounce their Mexican citizenship, break all ties with that government corrupted country and swear absolute aliegence to the USA.
2-Okay-but let's demand that human rights be protected throughout , corrupt Mexica as well as their border region. This would surely reduce the flight of Mexicans from the tyrant's who leech off their wages until they have nothing left for their families.
3-Okay, the USA is willing to contribute a mile wide stretch along our southern border for the purpose of forming a viable, no-man's land, heavily mined and surveyed 24/7 in order to guarantee it continued viability, assuming of course that Mexico agrees to do the same along it's northern border.
4-Mexico must first purge it's own government, (of the thieves and despots, by the thieves and despots and for the thieves and despots) of corruption, or same as always in Mexico, the only ones benefitting from the economy, whether good bad or so so, will be those same damn leeches.
As for that special migration policy that Meyers would have us extend to Canadians and Mexicans.A considerable herd of the world socialistic, liberal and anti every thing we stand for critic's are Mexican and Canadian, and I can't think of any rational reason for giving these snobs preferrential treatment in their desire to come and live among people they despise. But as I said earlier, if we are stupid enough to extend special immigration priviliges to those whose only apparent reason for coming here is to either loot our economy or destroy us from within-they must first renounce the culture that drove them to this land of UGLY Americans, and pledge aliegence to this ugly country, and to the ugliness for which we stand.
Truth and righteousness can only be percieved as ugly by the liars and the unrighteousness......excluding the few of course who don't know the difference.
Thank you for going through all that trouble! I'll call them. I've never seen a print version of their magazine anyway.
PS.. this was an EXCELLENT FIND.
I called and got the exact same person you spoke with! Once I said November 15, she knew which year I wanted. She said she had just spoken with you.
Thanks again! Keep up the good work of keeping us informed.
FJ, this thing of border erasure is in full motion.
When you read about BORDER XXI, above..go to the website, you'll see there are meetings going on about it NOW.
The Good Neighbor Environmental Board (GNEB)
Also, read post 60. It directly relates to Border XXI. Go to the website, as it's really easier to read there.
This push started over a decade ago. Damn............
The globalists and lefties are so close to eliminating our sovereignty it is unbelievable!! (Not trying to be a drama queen here). If Kerry would've won this election, the fat lady would have just begun to sing of America's demise... to the rabid applause of unwitting ignorant Democrat audience.
We have got to understand that fighting this illegal alien battle is going to fall to we the people, as it is to me, truly the last gasp of the republic. It's part of 'the plan'. 2006 is going to be a make or break election. But we have a lot of work to do before then. Which is why we see pressure coming from Fox now. JMHO..
Yay!
You are most welcome. And thank you!
Thanks for posting the thread. I believe we will find that this border situation is much more complicated than just protecting our borders.
Some of our problems also might be fallout from the Treaty of Guadalupe Hildalgo.
Treaty of Guadalupe Hildalgo.
Dang, more homework! :)
Thanks tertiary01.
Hear ya on all counts, JJ -- Your points are well taken.
BTT - this thread has indispensable information and links. Thanks to all!
I know this is a tad old, but I think it might be of interest to the borders list.
Possible Ping...
bttt
Read this site. This thread has more insite than any I have seen regarding our borders.
I think you should read it all, as I see it as a way to get people to go home. I have a neighbor who is a naturalized American, retired who is living in FL solely because SS cut his benefits in half when he lived on land he owns in Mexico. I think everybody would rather live in his own culture and any policy that encourages return is best in my book.
This argument that illegals are paying taxes is bogus. They are part of the underground economy, mainly. When they present fake social security cards and employers deduct and pay FICA it goes into an anonymous account that they cannot collect from. I am for normalizing this and getting these people signed up and matched with employers. We will catch a lot of bad guys that way and set up enforcement mechanisms, too as well as increase tax revenues. Some will leave because they cannot meet criteria.
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In addition, they, along with his eminence, Mexican President Vicente Fox, believe they should be allowed to vote in our elections as well as Mexico's, even if they know less English than I know Greek
The guest worker program is nothing more than a manipulation of visas to allow more illegals in this country. It's easier and faster than having them go through the process of becoming legal citizens/residents. I just don't buy into it.
So you are saying that the SSA just automatically increased his payments when he moved to Florida? Have you seen these documents where he was cut or where he got an increase of 50% more? For some reason I don't bellieve this, as there are Americans who retire in Mexico with full benefits. The reason they choose Mexico is because it is cheaper to live there.
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