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Do you agree or disagree with a change in the ballot system in America.
Americans For Voter Reform ^ | 02/01/2005 | David Flint

Posted on 02/06/2005 2:10:50 PM PST by afvr

This list is by no means complete but only a start. The approach is the same used in the credit card industry and military security systems. 1. Assume that criminals will do everything they can to defeat the system. 2. Assume that people will make mistakes, so you need to notify them of their mistakes during the voting process and help them correct the mistakes before the vote is cast. (under voting and over voting) 3. Assume that government officials will try to find a way to abuse their power.

If you agree with this please go to www.afvr.org and so what you can do to help make it a reality.

(Excerpt) Read more at afvr.org ...


TOPICS: Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: elections; votefraud; voterfraud; voterreform; voting
Do you agree or disagree with a change in the ballot system in America. This list is by no means complete but only a start. The approach is the same used in the credit card industry and military security systems. 1. Assume that criminals will do everything they can to defeat the system. 2. Assume that people will make mistakes, so you need to notify them of their mistakes during the voting process and help them correct the mistakes before the vote is cast. (under voting and over voting) 3. Assume that government officials will try to find a way to abuse their power. We do not want the Federal government to 1. Dictate the type of election the states use. I.e. primary type, party notification rules, FTPT, or other methods of the elections. These are States rights. State should decide these issues and the equipment will just accommodate the requirements of the state election methods. 2. Federal government will not man the local equipment 3. No one should have the ability to know who you voted for without you giving them the information from your ballot receipt. The system should be designed and built with the safeguards to protect against these assumptions. Basically believe no one, trust no one, depend on no one, but offend no one and refuse no one. The goal of our proposal is to put the power of the ballot back into the hands of the individual voter and not in the hands for the volunteers or any government body. The problem with funding federal mandates would be removed for State and local governments. At the same time the cost savings on one national system would offset the cost of implementing and maintaining the system. There are still issues to solve. What about voters in nursing homes or other who find it difficult to go to store let alone the polls? AFVR invites every American to help us prefect the list of requirements for the best voting system possible because as Americans we deserve the best and shouldn’t settle for less. The proposed system has two parts. First, we want the federal government to provide and pay for the means of verifying the voter rolls. This is a network to verify voter rolls through out the year and also to record simply when someone has voted. The voter would come to the election worker to check in as they do today, before being allowed to go into the voting booth. If the voter has not already registered then steps 1-5 could be done at the time of voting. If the voter is already registered then only step 5 would be required. 1. Allow all voters registrations to be run against State felony records. 2. Allow all voters registrations to be run against immigration records. 3. Allow all voters registrations to be run against other state voter rolls. 4. Allow all voters registrations to be ran against Death records 5. Verify ID and record that the person has voted so they can not vote more than once. 6. Allow all voters registrations to be updated through Drivers license offices welfare offices and social security offices 7. Provide access to the individual voter to his or her voter registration information when requested with their personal pin and other safe guard info. Similar to your credit card info. Future info would include, where and when to vote. Who is on the ballot you will be using. Past info would only show if you voted. But not who you voted for. Second, there is the ballot booth itself and the central optical scanner deposit box. We do not want the federal government to run every election. But we do want the federal government to pay for and maintain the equipment. The local election boards have always run the elections and always will. We just want the federal government to provide one type of equipment for them. This equipment would guard against local groups manipulating the election outside the rules. It would also record the actions of those running the local elections to be used to troubleshot problem. It would also make it easier to train local volunteers to run their own elections. This equipment will not change the method or style of election each state uses. It would only create the ballot according to State format, then generate the paper copies as stated below and allow a systematic, highly accountable vote counting process. 1. The states would not pre print ballots. The voter would be the only one who could print their own ballot. This gives each voter complete control over their own ballot and prevents any government, Local, State or Federal, from producing ballots without a voter. The voter would compare their ballot on the screen and on paper before submitting their vote. 2. There are 3 recorded counts for each ballot and all must agree. All come from the electronic ballot booth that prints the ballot and the voters receipt. First, the printed ballot that is put into the scanner (like current scanners used today). This would be used for recounts by the government and be the official ballot. Second an electronic document saved without voter identity but a serial # that only the voter could provide from their receipt if they want to see if their vote was recorded correctly. Third, the voters receipt it’s self, if saved by the voter could be used for recount. 3. All the documents would be scanner perfect. No hand marks on them. There would always be a no vote option added for each position. So the voter can vote for a candidate or say they don’t like either and select no vote for that office. This is where the government has started this Voter intent stuff to justify editing your ballot. The voter would still have the option to write in a candidate just like they sign for their credit card during purchases that is common today. 4. At least one booth at each polling location would be connected real-time to the national network. It would have access to all ballots nation wide. This will allow voters to vote anywhere where there is a polling station setup. Not only in the US, but in our foreign embassies, conciliates, and world wide military installations. Those outside the US would all have to be real-time connections to get the correct ballot for the remote voter. If you agree with this please go to www.afvr.org and so what you can do to help make it a reality.
1 posted on 02/06/2005 2:10:51 PM PST by afvr
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To: afvr; marmar; Old Sarge; Conspiracy Guy; MeekOneGOP; Fedora; Slings and Arrows; Watery Tart; ...

Paragraphs are your friend


2 posted on 02/06/2005 2:13:23 PM PST by bad company (Having a political debate with a liberal is like playing hangman with someone that can't spell.)
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To: afvr

very hard to read ... I agree, paragraphs are your friend....


3 posted on 02/06/2005 2:17:49 PM PST by AgThorn (You're my president, Dubya, but do something about immigration or I'm not voting Republican any more)
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To: afvr
I can get the same visual effect you achieved with your post by doing this:


But admittedly that leaves less pieces.

4 posted on 02/06/2005 2:18:28 PM PST by Darksheare ("Cast off your amazing human ruse and show them our mighty robot form!" - but I'm a ghost!)
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To: bad company; Americanwolf; AQGeiger; Beaker; BenLurkin; baltodog; BJClinton; big'ol_freeper; ...

BLOG PIMP!


5 posted on 02/06/2005 2:22:04 PM PST by Old Sarge (In for a penny, in for a pound, saddlin' up and Baghdad-bound!)
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To: afvr

A I can't read it..
B It is not readable


6 posted on 02/06/2005 2:24:12 PM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: afvr

C. I am not going to click on the link to read it.


7 posted on 02/06/2005 2:25:16 PM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: afvr

You can't even format your posts properly, and you want folks to rally behind you in an effort to reform the voting practices of the entire country? Get real.


8 posted on 02/06/2005 2:27:04 PM PST by AQGeiger (Have you hugged your soldier today?)
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To: afvr
One feeble attempt at making this easier to read ...
Do you agree or disagree with a change in the ballot system in America.

This list is by no means complete but only a start. The approach is the same used in the credit card industry and military security systems.

1. Assume that criminals will do everything they can to defeat the system.
2. Assume that people will make mistakes, so you need to notify them of their mistakes during the voting process and help them correct the mistakes before the vote is cast. (under voting and over voting)
3. Assume that government officials will try to find a way to abuse their power.

We do not want the Federal government to
1. Dictate the type of election the states use. I.e. primary type, party notification rules, FTPT, or other methods of the elections. These are States rights. State should decide these issues and the equipment will just accommodate the requirements of the state election methods.
2. Federal government will not man the local equipment
3. No one should have the ability to know who you voted for without you giving them the information from your ballot receipt.

The system should be designed and built with the safeguards to protect against these assumptions. Basically believe no one, trust no one, depend on no one, but offend no one and refuse no one. The goal of our proposal is to put the power of the ballot back into the hands of the individual voter and not in the hands for the volunteers or any government body. The problem with funding federal mandates would be removed for State and local governments. At the same time the cost savings on one national system would offset the cost of implementing and maintaining the system.

There are still issues to solve.

What about voters in nursing homes or other who find it difficult to go to store let alone the polls?

AFVR invites every American to help us prefect the list of requirements for the best voting system possible because as Americans we deserve the best and shouldn’t settle for less. The proposed system has two parts.

First, we want the federal government to provide and pay for the means of verifying the voter rolls. This is a network to verify voter rolls through out the year and also to record simply when someone has voted. The voter would come to the election worker to check in as they do today, before being allowed to go into the voting booth.

If the voter has not already registered then steps 1-5 could be done at the time of voting. If the voter is already registered then only step 5 would be required.
1. Allow all voters registrations to be run against State felony records.
2. Allow all voters registrations to be run against immigration records.
3. Allow all voters registrations to be run against other state voter rolls.
4. Allow all voters registrations to be ran against Death records
5. Verify ID and record that the person has voted so they can not vote more than once.
6. Allow all voters registrations to be updated through Drivers license offices welfare offices and social security offices
7. Provide access to the individual voter to his or her voter registration information when requested with their personal pin and other safe guard info. Similar to your credit card info. Future info would include, where and when to vote. Who is on the ballot you will be using. Past info would only show if you voted. But not who you voted for.

Second, there is the ballot booth itself and the central optical scanner deposit box. We do not want the federal government to run every election. But we do want the federal government to pay for and maintain the equipment.

The local election boards have always run the elections and always will. We just want the federal government to provide one type of equipment for them. This equipment would guard against local groups manipulating the election outside the rules. It would also record the actions of those running the local elections to be used to troubleshot problem. It would also make it easier to train local volunteers to run their own elections.

This equipment will not change the method or style of election each state uses. It would only create the ballot according to State format, then generate the paper copies as stated below and allow a systematic, highly accountable vote counting process.

1. The states would not pre print ballots. The voter would be the only one who could print their own ballot. This gives each voter complete control over their own ballot and prevents any government, Local, State or Federal, from producing ballots without a voter. The voter would compare their ballot on the screen and on paper before submitting their vote.

2. There are 3 recorded counts for each ballot and all must agree. All come from the electronic ballot booth that prints the ballot and the voters receipt. First, the printed ballot that is put into the scanner (like current scanners used today). This would be used for recounts by the government and be the official ballot. Second an electronic document saved without voter identity but a serial # that only the voter could provide from their receipt if they want to see if their vote was recorded correctly. Third, the voters receipt it’s self, if saved by the voter could be used for recount.

3. All the documents would be scanner perfect. No hand marks on them. There would always be a no vote option added for each position. So the voter can vote for a candidate or say they don’t like either and select no vote for that office. This is where the government has started this Voter intent stuff to justify editing your ballot. The voter would still have the option to write in a candidate just like they sign for their credit card during purchases that is common today.

4. At least one booth at each polling location would be connected real-time to the national network. It would have access to all ballots nation wide. This will allow voters to vote anywhere where there is a polling station setup. Not only in the US, but in our foreign embassies, conciliates, and world wide military installations. Those outside the US would all have to be real-time connections to get the correct ballot for the remote voter.

If you agree with this please go to www.afvr.org and so what you can do to help make it a reality.

9 posted on 02/06/2005 2:27:05 PM PST by AgThorn (You're my president, Dubya, but do something about immigration or I'm not voting Republican any more)
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To: afvr
Oh dear, that is enough to make your eyes cross and I was feeling none too well anyway.

I am sure you have something important to say but could you please put it in readable format?

Thank you.

10 posted on 02/06/2005 2:27:32 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Naked Mole Rats are sweet, gentle and love to cuddle. Bring a colony home today for your Valentine)
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To: afvr

I voted just fine thanx.


11 posted on 02/06/2005 2:30:42 PM PST by cripplecreek (they call me tater.)
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To: afvr

Being a Washingtonian, I couldn't agree more. We need a change.


12 posted on 02/06/2005 2:31:46 PM PST by Vicki (Truth and Reality)
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To: afvr
this: <P> is a paragraph tag. Someone might want to actually read your post.

That's your choice.


13 posted on 02/06/2005 3:44:31 PM PST by glock rocks ( Miss Kitty, the sun hasn't come up on the day that Marshal Dillon can't take care of himself.)
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To: afvr
First, we want the federal government to provide and pay for the means of verifying the voter rolls.

Ok, you see, I have a problem with this. First off this is the States responsibility and second can you please name one program that the federal government took over that was not FUBAR'ed in short order?

14 posted on 02/06/2005 4:02:57 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Naked Mole Rats are sweet, gentle and love to cuddle. Bring a colony home today for your Valentine)
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To: AgThorn

Thank you.


15 posted on 02/06/2005 4:03:46 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Naked Mole Rats are sweet, gentle and love to cuddle. Bring a colony home today for your Valentine)
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To: AQGeiger; AgThorn; cripplecreek; bad company; Harmless Teddy Bear
Emily Dickinson:

His writing style,

Is very odd

indeed,

Not that

I partake in

prose-

myself--

16 posted on 02/06/2005 4:26:08 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("There is some sugar...It's harder in the case of fires. The tariffs are too high!")
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To: afvr
Are you kidding me, as a red-blooded American, you should take responsibility for your own stupidity. If you are too dumb to correctly vote, then perhaps, you don't deserve to have your opinion counted in such a momentous event as the election of the leader of the free world. Come on, are you kidding me?
17 posted on 02/06/2005 4:33:17 PM PST by lenny_gildenstern
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To: afvr

Were you disenfrenchfried?


18 posted on 02/07/2005 4:38:37 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Naked Mole Rats have feelings too. Be nice to them.)
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To: bad company
Paragraphs are your friend

Amen! No matter how compelling the subject, if I see one long paragraph I just move on.

19 posted on 02/07/2005 6:50:43 AM PST by grellis (#47,569 11-29-00. See? I made it easy for ya!)
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