TALK IS CHEAP We need real reform

This is not a solution that will be solved county by county or state by state. We need a total solution

John Fund wrote in his book Stealing Elections, “America’s election problems go beyond the strapped budgets of many local election offices. More insidious are flawed voter rolls, voter ignorance, lackadaisical law enforcement and a shortage of trained volunteers. All this adds up to an open invitation for errors, miscounts and fraud……..Some of the sloppiness that makes fraud and foul-ups in election counts possible seem to be built into the system by design.” But still, if we want a fancy new high tech voting system, who’s going to pay for it?

Now, because the local election office in reality has the final responsibility for running the actual election, there is an extreme variance in the capability and integrity of the election as you move from precinct to precinct across the country. It is in the local jurisdictions where the greatest opportunity is and historically has been, for error, systematic corruption and fraud. But since the 2000 vote, even a perfectly run election would be overshadowed with the prospect of multiple recounts, lawsuits and never ending controversy over “voter intent”(under voted and over voted ballots), if the winner fails to clear “the margin of litigation”. This is because the public does not trust the system. We need a national system with national standards that will re-establish the integrity of the vote.

In many states in this country, we refuse to ask voters for even so much as ID. There is still a calculated % of ballots cast each election by the dearly departed. Now I am not saying of course that photo ID is really much of a hindrance to fraudulent voters; as you may know, at least eight of the nineteen hijackers who attacked us were actually duly register voter in either Virginia or Florida. They had 65 driver licenses between them. It makes me wonder who they voted for in 2000.

We have higher standards for countries we help to become democracies like Afghanistan and Iraq than we have for our own. Yet we have multiple times more non citizens within our boarders than they do and elect far more people to office. We are telling other countries to do as we say, not as we do. Did that ever work with our 8 year olds? So what are we going to do about it? Talk is cheep.

I am proud of my country and it’s true we are the example for the world in many, many, many areas, but this is not one of them. I know we have gone through a lot in the past few years. A presidential impeachment, the internet bubble burst, a rocky election in 2000, a recession, corporate scandals, the attacks of 9/11, two wars, a building national debt, natural disasters and now another election. No other country in the world could have gone through what we did and come out so good. There is no doubt there is more we will have to endure and endure it we will. But maybe, just maybe it’s time to get things right as it pertains to our voting system in this country. To get it fixed and to get it fixed right. Look at what is going on in Washington state. The last thing we need is uncertainty about how our leaders got elected. The world is changing and there are many hard choices coming. We need to at least agree and be confident as to who the people choose to be our leaders. Is that asking too much? Do we need these distractions? Can we really afford them?

This is not a solution that will be solved county by county or state by state. We need a total solution. Your right to vote is based on your U.S. citizenship. We need a national solution that make voting convenient for all while maintaining integrity. This is why I support the Americans for Voter Reform initiative for a nation wide voting system, even if it takes a constitutional amendment to get it. I want to see it fixed at the source. I want it fixed right once and for all. Go to www.afvr.org to learn more.

I was very worried prior to this election about all the fraud that looked like it was about to happen because of people like Soros paying groups to register more Democrat voters. I figured the one hope Republicans had was the $ would just be so tempting that he would be ripped off big time and the Democrats would get little or nothing in return. I was right about that. I was not aware of the Republicans plan to actually send observers to the counties and precincts that have always had tons of fraud. This really slowed them down in some places, but in other places, the fraud went on as usual in front of the observers.

I would like to see motor-voter repealed and same day registration and voting discontinued. Both are an invitation to fraud, but I don't want to federalize the way we vote and I don't want some federal election bureau under an amendment to the constitution running things. If we could get every state to pass proof of citizenship and photo ID for registration as well as showing the proof to vote, it would be nice and would help a lot. Beyond that it's a danger and a waste of tax $ to impose on states the same method of voting, etc.

An observer in Cahokia Ill. did catch Fraud happening in the last election. But are we going to have to have observers in every election from now on. The local election boards will always have to actually run the elections, that can never change. But the equipment they use and the process must. Washington's King county was told 6 years ago to cleanup their act under state law. 3 TV reports by Seattle stations. They said they changed.
Still in 2004 it remained the same mess as in 1998. They run things in king county. They do things the way they want. This is how it's been in hundreds of counties across the country for years. King county broke over 11 state laws in the 2004 election and nothing has happened yet. We will be Lucky to get a re vote. They claim it was just a mistake. The fact is, the system is broken and open to mistakes and fraud. If ballots where money everyone would be talking different. Maybe people don't value their vote enough to give a dam. Would you allow your money to handled like we handle the ballots?
band aides will not fix the problem.

I live in PA and if it were not for all the crap that goes on in Philly this would be a red state. My end of the state (west) has changed voting patterns to nearly 1 to 1 even though the D registrations overwhelm the R something like 2 to 1. Once the Republicans actually sent observers to the problem places like precincts in Pittsburgh, they screamed bloody murder about white guys looking over their shoulders, but it sure shut down a lot of the crap that has always gone on and it diminished the fraudulent votes. If it had not been for Rendell and the stuff that went on in Philly, Bush would have easily carried PA. The voting patterns in the east that used to be R are changing to D in the suburbs and the cheating inside Philly is worse with each election cycle. Having the feds run the elections isn't going to make that any better. If the Republicans want to win, they will have to send observers to every precinct known for fraud in every election. Then they will have to arrest the cheaters and find some judge who won't just turn them loose to send a message for next time.

We never even suggest the federal government should run the elections. We want them to provide the same equipment nationwide to every state and county. The local election boards have to man the equipment, run the election and count the votes. Our proposal is completely about checks and balances. Verification of voter roles (Through State AND Federal records)and giving control of the ballot to the voter at the time they cast their ballot. Absentee ballots are a joke. Look at welfare fraud and all the address verification in that system. Still fraud thrives. Then you talk about saving money? Address verification for Absentee ballots would be a massive reoccurring expense. You said 'Unless you haven't noticed, anything controlled by the government becomes corrupted' We agree. Read the site and see the power of controlling your own ballot. You create your own ballot. A scan perfect ballot that gives no excuse for the GOVERMENT to edited it and determine your intent. There are no preprinted ballots in the governments hands. Our proposal is totally about checks and balance.

SOURCE: http://www.conservativeaction.org/resources.php3?nameid=votefraud

How Democrats Steal Elections - Top 10 Methods of Liberal Vote Fraud

1. Over-Voting. In Democrat strongholds like St. Louis, Philadelphia and Detroit, some precincts had 100% of their registered voters voting, with 99% of the ballots going to Gore. Clearly, multiple voting resulted in extra tallies for Gore in the 2000 election. (New York Post, 12/09/00).

2. Dead Voters. This classic Democratic method of vote fraud goes all the way back to 1960 in Chicago and Dallas. The 2000 election was no exception. In Miami-Dade County, for example, some of the 144 ineligible votes (those which officials actually admitted to) were cast by dead people, including a Haitian-American who's been deceased since 1977 (Miami-Herald, 12/24/00).

3. Mystery Voters. These "voters" cast votes anyway but are not even registered to vote. In heavily Democratic Broward County, for example, more than 400 ballots were cast by non-registered voters. (Miami-Herald 1/09/01)

4. Military ballots. Many of these votes were disqualified for the most mundane and trivial reasons. At least 1,527 valid military ballots were discarded in Florida by Democratic vote counters (Drudge Report, 11/19/00).

5. Criminals. Felons are a natural Democratic voter and they're protected on voter rolls across the country. In Florida at least 445 ex-convicts - including rapists and murderers -- voted illegally on November 7th. Nearly all of them were registered Democrats. (Miami-Herald 12/01/00)

6. Illegal aliens. These voters have long been a core liberal constituency, especially in California. In Orange County in 1996, Rep. Bob Dornan had his congressional seat stolen from him when thousands of illegal aliens voted for Loretta Sanchez (Christian Science Monitor, 9/2/97).

7. Vote-buying. Purchasing votes has long been a traditional scheme by Democrats, and not just with money. In the 2000 election in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, Democratic workers initiate a "smokes-for-votes" campaign in which they paid dozens of homeless men with cigarettes if they cast ballots for Al Gore (Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, 11/14/00).

8. Phantom Voters. These voters don't really exist, but their ballots do. In the 1996 Lousiana Senate race, GOP candidate Woody Jenkins had the election stolen from him when he discovered that 7,454 actual votes were cast but had no paper trail to authenticate them (Behind the Headlines, F.R. Duplantier, 4/27/97).

9. Dimpled chads. Those infamous punch-cards were a ballot bonanza for Al Gore. Democratic poll workers in Palm Beach, Dade and Broward counties tampered and manipulated thousands of ineligible ballots and counted them for Gore, even though no clear vote could be discerned. (NewsMax.com 11/27, 12/22, 11/18, 11/19/00).

10. Absentee ballots. Normally it's assumed that Republicans benefit from absentee ballots. But in the case of Miami's 1997 mayoral election, hundreds of absentee ballots were made for sale or sent out to non-Miami residents. Fraud was so extensive in the race that the final results were overturned in court (FL Dept. of Law Enforcement Report, 1/5/98)."

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