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John Fund wrote in his book Stealing Elections, “America’s election problems go beyond the strapped budgets of many local election offices. More insidious are flawed voter rolls, voter ignorance, lackadaisical law enforcement and a shortage of trained volunteers. All this adds up to an open invitation for errors, miscounts and fraud……..Some of the sloppiness that makes fraud and foul-ups in election counts possible seem to be built into the system by design.” But still, if we want a fancy new high tech voting system, who’s going to pay for it?

Now, because the local election office in reality has the final responsibility for running the actual election, there is an extreme variance in the capability and integrity of the election as you move from precinct to precinct across the country. It is in the local jurisdictions where the greatest opportunity is and historically has been, for error, systematic corruption and fraud. But since the 2000 vote, even a perfectly run election would be overshadowed with the prospect of multiple recounts, lawsuits and never ending controversy over “voter intent”(under voted and over voted ballots), if the winner fails to clear “the margin of litigation”. This is because the public does not trust the system. We need a national system with national standards that will re-establish the integrity of the vote.

In many states in this country, we refuse to ask voters for even so much as ID. There is still a calculated % of ballots cast each election by the dearly departed. Now I am not saying of course that photo ID is really much of a hindrance to fraudulent voters; as you may know, at least eight of the nineteen hijackers who attacked us were actually duly register voter in either Virginia or Florida. They had 65 driver licenses between them. It makes me wonder who they voted for in 2000.

We have higher standards for countries we help to become democracies like Afghanistan and Iraq than we have for our own. Yet we have multiple times more non citizens within our boarders than they do and elect far more people to office. We are telling other countries to do as we say, not as we do. Did that ever work with our 8 year olds? So what are we going to do about it? Talk is cheep.

I am proud of my country and it’s true we are the example for the world in many, many, many areas, but this is not one of them. I know we have gone through a lot in the past few years. A presidential impeachment, the internet bubble burst, a rocky election in 2000, a recession, corporate scandals, the attacks of 9/11, two wars, a building national debt, natural disasters and now another election. No other country in the world could have gone through what we did and come out so good. There is no doubt there is more we will have to endure and endure it we will. But maybe, just maybe it’s time to get things right as it pertains to our voting system in this country. To get it fixed and to get it fixed right. Look at what is going on in Washington state. The last thing we need is uncertainty about how our leaders got elected. The world is changing and there are many hard choices coming. We need to at least agree and be confident as to who the people choose to be our leaders. Is that asking too much? Do we need these distractions? Can we really afford them?

This is not a solution that will be solved county by county or state by state. We need a total solution. Your right to vote is based on your U.S. citizenship. We need a national solution that make voting convenient for all while maintaining integrity. This is why I support the Americans for Voter Reform initiative for a nation wide voting system, even if it takes a constitutional amendment to get it. I want to see it fixed at the source. I want it fixed right once and for all. Go to www.afvr.org to learn more.

1 posted on 01/29/2005 10:07:47 AM PST by afvr
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To: afvr; MeekOneGOP

Only a socialist would want to give power to the government.


2 posted on 01/29/2005 10:41:21 AM PST by 82Marine89 (U.S. Marines- Part of the Navy....located in the men's department.)
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To: afvr
I was very worried prior to this election about all the fraud that looked like it was about to happen because of people like Soros paying groups to register more Democrat voters. I figured the one hope Republicans had was the $ would just be so tempting that he would be ripped off big time and the Democrats would get little or nothing in return. I was right about that. I was not aware of the Republicans plan to actually send observers to the counties and precincts that have always had tons of fraud. This really slowed them down in some places, but in other places, the fraud went on as usual in front of the observers.

I would like to see motor-voter repealed and same day registration and voting discontinued. Both are an invitation to fraud, but I don't want to federalize the way we vote and I don't want some federal election bureau under an amendment to the constitution running things. If we could get every state to pass proof of citizenship and photo ID for registration as well as showing the proof to vote, it would be nice and would help a lot. Beyond that it's a danger and a waste of tax $ to impose on states the same method of voting, etc.

3 posted on 01/29/2005 11:03:41 AM PST by penowa
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To: afvr; MeekOneGOP; SandyInSeattle

Hey Meek! Haven't we seen this guy before? Since 1-29-05...
Mom


4 posted on 01/29/2005 1:16:11 PM PST by pharmamom ("You treat that cat better than you treat me." - the husband)
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To: afvr; All
SOURCE: http://www.conservativeaction.org/resources.php3?nameid=votefraud

How Democrats Steal Elections - Top 10 Methods of Liberal Vote Fraud

1. Over-Voting. In Democrat strongholds like St. Louis, Philadelphia and Detroit, some precincts had 100% of their registered voters voting, with 99% of the ballots going to Gore. Clearly, multiple voting resulted in extra tallies for Gore in the 2000 election. (New York Post, 12/09/00).

2. Dead Voters. This classic Democratic method of vote fraud goes all the way back to 1960 in Chicago and Dallas. The 2000 election was no exception. In Miami-Dade County, for example, some of the 144 ineligible votes (those which officials actually admitted to) were cast by dead people, including a Haitian-American who's been deceased since 1977 (Miami-Herald, 12/24/00).

3. Mystery Voters. These "voters" cast votes anyway but are not even registered to vote. In heavily Democratic Broward County, for example, more than 400 ballots were cast by non-registered voters. (Miami-Herald 1/09/01)

4. Military ballots. Many of these votes were disqualified for the most mundane and trivial reasons. At least 1,527 valid military ballots were discarded in Florida by Democratic vote counters (Drudge Report, 11/19/00).

5. Criminals. Felons are a natural Democratic voter and they're protected on voter rolls across the country. In Florida at least 445 ex-convicts - including rapists and murderers -- voted illegally on November 7th. Nearly all of them were registered Democrats. (Miami-Herald 12/01/00)

6. Illegal aliens. These voters have long been a core liberal constituency, especially in California. In Orange County in 1996, Rep. Bob Dornan had his congressional seat stolen from him when thousands of illegal aliens voted for Loretta Sanchez (Christian Science Monitor, 9/2/97).

7. Vote-buying. Purchasing votes has long been a traditional scheme by Democrats, and not just with money. In the 2000 election in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, Democratic workers initiate a "smokes-for-votes" campaign in which they paid dozens of homeless men with cigarettes if they cast ballots for Al Gore (Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, 11/14/00).

8. Phantom Voters. These voters don't really exist, but their ballots do. In the 1996 Lousiana Senate race, GOP candidate Woody Jenkins had the election stolen from him when he discovered that 7,454 actual votes were cast but had no paper trail to authenticate them (Behind the Headlines, F.R. Duplantier, 4/27/97).

9. Dimpled chads. Those infamous punch-cards were a ballot bonanza for Al Gore. Democratic poll workers in Palm Beach, Dade and Broward counties tampered and manipulated thousands of ineligible ballots and counted them for Gore, even though no clear vote could be discerned. (NewsMax.com 11/27, 12/22, 11/18, 11/19/00).

10. Absentee ballots. Normally it's assumed that Republicans benefit from absentee ballots. But in the case of Miami's 1997 mayoral election, hundreds of absentee ballots were made for sale or sent out to non-Miami residents. Fraud was so extensive in the race that the final results were overturned in court (FL Dept. of Law Enforcement Report, 1/5/98)."

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12 posted on 01/30/2005 2:26:03 PM PST by hripka (There are a lot of smart people out there in FReeperLand)
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