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California's "Bogus" Energy Crisis in Retrospect
ChronWatch.com ^
| 1/4/05
| Wayne Lusvardi and Charles B. Warren
Posted on 01/04/2005 1:40:18 PM PST by WayneLusvardi
Edited on 04/10/2005 2:08:56 PM PDT by Sidebar Moderator.
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
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posted on
01/05/2005 1:31:42 AM PST
by
backhoe
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To: WayneLusvardi
Good article. Thanks for writing it and posting it here.
Too bad you weren't here on FR during the "calpowercrisis" days back in 2000-2001. We FReepers pretty much had all this figured out and documented. It's all still here, if anyone can find it :-(
BTW, one thing that we FReepers noticed three years before anybody else was that all that money Gray Davis borrowed was (and still is) unconstitutional, since the borrowing was not put before the voters as the California Constitution requires.
Not that anybody in California has actually read their Constitution...
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posted on
01/05/2005 2:05:11 AM PST
by
snopercod
("When you have to shoot, shoot, don't talk." - The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly)
To: farmfriend
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posted on
01/05/2005 3:06:40 AM PST
by
E.G.C.
To: snopercod
...back in 2000-2001. We FReepers pretty much had all this figured out and documented. It's all still here, if anyone can find it :-(
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posted on
01/05/2005 3:10:50 AM PST
by
backhoe
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To: backhoe
Thanks. That's a lot better than it was.
It used to only display the last 30 articles on the "stack", but it seems to go back to about Jan 2002 now.
It still doesn't display about 1000 earlier articles that Ernest & I tagged.
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posted on
01/05/2005 4:03:12 AM PST
by
snopercod
(I want to see Arthur C. Clarke out there with a shovel cleaning up debris)
To: WayneLusvardi
The sweethearts still in power, saddled us with energy bankruptcy and a structural deficit for which we're still paying. California Democrats are a gift that keeps on giving.
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posted on
01/05/2005 4:09:11 AM PST
by
goldstategop
(In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
To: snopercod
It still doesn't display about 1000 earlier articles that Ernest & I tagged.I thought there were a lot of missing links- thanks for the confirmation.
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posted on
01/05/2005 4:14:34 AM PST
by
backhoe
(-30-)
To: backhoe
Back in the "olden days" when google would find most things on FR, Ernest & I spent a few weeks going back through old posts and tagging them with a message addressed To:calpowercrisis.
Later on, the system was "enhanced" so that one could post a message to *calpowercrisis.
The messages tagged the old way are not picked up under the new system. [Here's] an example from May, 2001 with some of your old links.
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posted on
01/05/2005 4:22:59 AM PST
by
snopercod
(I want to see Arthur C. Clarke out there with a shovel cleaning up debris)
To: snopercod
Thanks- I notice from my tagline I was a sarcastic SOB even then...
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posted on
01/05/2005 4:31:23 AM PST
by
backhoe
(-30-)
To: backhoe
...but you've mellowed ;-)
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posted on
01/05/2005 4:40:23 AM PST
by
snopercod
(I want to see Arthur C. Clarke out there with a shovel cleaning up debris)
To: snopercod
...but you've mellowed ;-)I'll have to tell Mrs. B that-- she'll die laughing.
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posted on
01/05/2005 4:45:51 AM PST
by
backhoe
("It's so easy to spend someone else's money." [ My Dad, circa 1958])
To: Robert357
Don't forget that under "deregulation" utilities had to sell their generation facilities and the new owners recapitalized the costs and raised the rent
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posted on
01/05/2005 5:29:33 AM PST
by
tubebender
(If I had know I would live this long I would have taken better care of myself...)
To: Robert357; Ernest_at_the_Beach; snopercod
"along with lots of money to political consultants to top Democrats in the State of California and nationally."You mean like how over 85% of the "Superfund" monies went to Consultants & Lawyers???
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posted on
01/05/2005 6:17:50 AM PST
by
SierraWasp
(Moderates, are just too chicken to commit to any ideal!!! They prefer sophist sophistication...)
To: SierraWasp
Sufferin' succotash! Sophist sophistication alert!
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posted on
01/05/2005 6:19:55 AM PST
by
snopercod
(I want to see Arthur C. Clarke out there with a shovel cleaning up debris)
To: snopercod
Some people are a sop for sophistry, ya know... especially in CA!!!
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posted on
01/05/2005 6:23:20 AM PST
by
SierraWasp
(Moderates, are just too chicken to commit to any ideal!!! They prefer sophist sophistication...)
To: SierraWasp
You mean like how over 85% of the "Superfund" monies went to Consultants & Lawyers??? Now go easy, I am both a consultant and an engineer so not all money to consultants is a waste. What I was referring to was "political" consultants and lawyers, not technical consultants, who may (or may not) provide societal value.
Before I started this office, I worked for an large US firm that did both electric utility and other kinds of work, including hazardous waste clean up consulting. I was involved with a couple of haz waste projects at non-superfund sites.
What I observed was that attorneys were the de-facto leaders of those projects and just about everything done was done on the basis of CYA and how it might look in future litigation.
Just as when liability concerns impose themselves on medicine the number of marginally required tests (blood tests, biopsy, x-rays, MRI's, etc.) to document conditions skyrockets, so to does the ground water sampling, aquifer mapping & modeling, soil sampling, etc.) happen on the haz waste clean up side.
The company I left wanted to get out of electric utility business design and consulting work and wanted me to market haz waste clean-up to electric utilities. I told them no-thanks, that I wanted to contribute to the GNP, not be a drag upon it.
Consultants can provide value-added benefits or they can be used to fill file cabinets with CYA documents. I prefer the former for a career path.
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posted on
01/05/2005 10:14:47 AM PST
by
Robert357
(D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
To: backhoe; snopercod
Need more Power? Build More Power Plants! Dumb-bells! ! !What's sarcastic about that?....it's still true, and the DemonicRats still don't want to build more power plants.
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posted on
01/05/2005 12:13:12 PM PST
by
Ernest_at_the_Beach
(A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
To: Robert357
What I observed was that attorneys were the de-facto leaders of those projects and just about everything done was done on the basis of CYA and how it might look in future litigation.A true class of parasites is what many lawyers....not all ...are turning into.
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posted on
01/05/2005 12:18:13 PM PST
by
Ernest_at_the_Beach
(A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
To: Robert357; SierraWasp
Hey Robert. Did you ever catch that article I posted on companies building "wildcat" power plants in China?
Apparently, if some city or factory needed power, they just built a power plant.
It reminded me of the early days here in America.
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posted on
01/05/2005 12:39:36 PM PST
by
snopercod
(I want to see Arthur C. Clarke out there with a shovel cleaning up debris)
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