Posted on 11/21/2004 6:23:31 PM PST by PJ-Comix
My DUmmie Ant Farm is all astir! A venomous scorpion in the form of Bev Harris of BBV fame is stinging my DUmmie Ants left and right lefter with her lethal stinger. So how did this scorpion entered the hallowed confines of the Dummie Ant Farm? Did she boldly invade? No. She was actually invited in by the DUmmies as a conquering heroine who would lead the DUmmie ants to overturn the election results and establish John Kerry as president in January. Not only did the Dummies hail the Bev Harris scorpion but they also fed her copious quantities of green bills which she ravenously consumed. And how did Bev Harris thank the DUmmies for there help in the form of MUCHOS PESOS? Why, she is threatening to SUE them as you can see on this THREAD. So pack up your box lunches, hitch up your horses to the carriages, and travel out to the battlefield to observe the DUmmies engaged in a brutal Civil War with each other. As usual, the DUmmie attacks are in Bolshevik Red while the reports of your humble war correspondent, observing the combat from a hilltop near Bull Run creek, is in the [brackets]. And now, as the battle begins, DUmmie Eloriel makes a somewhat minor forward cavalry moment in advance of the main forces:
BBV Clean Up Crew -- URGENT HELP NEEDED HERE -- Requested by hedda_foil and Bev Harris, in order to put together a PR push against the media backlash against all of our efforts
[Okay, DUmmie Eloriel is somewhat delusional for thinking that this whole BBV shtick promoted by Bev Harris (for which she is collecting oodles of cash) is actually going to have any effect on the election outcome. However, in DUmmie terms he is just trying to be helpful in their hopeless cause. But now note stinging reply from Scorpion Bev Harris…]
CHANGE TRADE NAME IMMEDIATELY
Putting you on notice that hijacking the established trade name of a 501c(3) nonprofit is actionable. I have notified the mods. Do your good work, but under a name that you create and register, with a volunteer squad name that you create and register.
If DU continues to sanction this hijack, we will take action against both DU and the people who are doing this. Have notified our lawyer, who is working on this now.
Change it. Do it now. And your blatant use of someone else's trade name does not show very good ethics.
Bev Harris
Executive Director
Black Box Voting, Inc. - a registered 501c(3) nonprofit corporation
[OUCH! Talk about injecting an overkill stinger into poor DUmmie Eloriel! All for the “High Crime” of mentioning BBV in his post. But perhaps Bev Harris knows what she is doing. She has collected BIG BUCKS to prove vote fraud and such a diversionary attack by her may divert attention away from the fact that all her vote fraud hoopla will yield NO RESULTS. Of course, she will keep all the DUmmie Dough she has received. BTW, your humble correspondent will soon be releasing incontrovertible proof that Elvis Is Alive. Please send me lots of greenbacks so I may more easily work on collecting this proof. However, I might not be able to actually prove that Elvis Is Alive due to the fact that I am SUING several people who have used the term “Elvis Is Alive.” Elvis Is Alive, Inc. - - a registered 501c(3) nonprofit corporation.]
Bev, good grief. I don't think it was meant that way. Folks here have been very supportive and praised you highly. This surprises me you would talk to Eloriel that way and to Al. DUers have worked hard with you. Now I don't feel so inclined. I will make my donation elsewhere.
[Too late DUmmie madfloridian. You already sent your bucks to Bev and for that effort, you may well get sued too.]
MadFloridian: First of all, I am here in your state arranging for a hand count. Now, this isn't "talking to people that way." What do you think would happen if I started organizing a "PFAW Election Protection" group on DU? That trade name belongs to People for the American Way and their related entities. Surely you see that it would be nuts to just go in and take their trade name without permission? This is very important. Stuff like this can cause groups to lose their 501c(3) status. If we do not protect our own trade name, and publicly, all it takes is someone with good intentions encouraging something that is against our approved charter, and we lose our whole operation.
[Thus respondeth Bev Harris with a swift counterattack. Of course, lost in the sharp volley is any notion of working on discovering voter fraud. The battle has now shifted to Bev’s purpose of making it all about infringing on her sacred “trade name,” thus giving her an excuse to ultimately retreat from the whole Vote Fraud battle. Now observe as DUmmie madfloridian fires back with the following exchange….]
I admire what you are doing. But I don't think threatening to sue folks here is necessary. I think if you asked nicely they would quit. I never thought it being meant any way except helpful. I do work with folks on this, in my own rather ignorant way. I donate and pass info, though I don't understand the technical side. We are glad you are working here. I was just upset at the threatening tone. We are pretty good guys, you know.
[Hee! Hee! DUmmie madfloridian doesn’t realize Bev’s strategy of diverting him from what her real goal is... Changing the subject AWAY from nonexistent Vote Fraud. And now a WITHERING attack from Bev Harris…..]
You're a great one, MadFloridian. But review previous posts from althecat and Eloriel, both people whose work I respect, and you'll see they have not been supportive of Black Box Voting for many months. They may have their reasons, but the use of our trade name is certainly not accidental.
[Thus Battle Babe Bev makes her charge. DUmmie althecat and Eloriel are TRAITORS! They have (GASP! SHOCK!) USED her beloved sacred HOLY trade name.]
I think a little record correction is in order here. No, Bev, I'm not supportive of YOU -- not when you accused me publicly of something that was incorrect and untruthful to begin with (working on filing a qui tam suit) without ever apologizing for that libelous and hurtful untruth to this day. NOT when I again and again see you spout untruths about others (e.g., David Allen, to name just one -- no matter what you think he's done to you, you continue to say things that aren't true). I support your work, but at a GREAT distance (once bitten, twice shy), so great it's merely an occasional thought, and I continue, in your mind, to not be supportive of you whenever the need arises to step in and correct the record here at DU. So I've kept my distance (except to correct the record) until very, very recently (like this past week) because you were working with MY friend, hedda_foil, on the recount in NH and OH, and aided in the formation of the Helping America Recount 527 for the purpose of helping fund those recounts. However, I will apologize to you publicly for the unintentional and careless infringement on your trade names. As I told you via PM, for many, many months, I have NOT used "BBV" at all. In the heat of battle this past week, trying merely to GET SOMETHING DONE and try to work on behalf of this effort, I lapsed into a few minor uses. I never quite realized (since I never visit your site) that "clean up crew" is also one of your trade names -- and that one I believe I only used once, AGAIN, merely trying to GET SOMETHING DONE to push this forward. But I can assure you I'll never use it again. You can count on me for that -- and absolutely nothing else.
[DUmmie Eloriel responds with a full frontal attack! Oh the HORROR! However, please learn from DUmmie Eloriel’s tactical error. NEVER type the letters “BBV” anywhere or you might be on the receiving end of a lawsuit for “infringing” on the letters of her holy blessed sacred trademark. (And NEVER type the letters EIA because “Elvis Is Alive is my highly protected trademark whether in letter or word form.)]
It's nonsense like this that guarantees I will NEVER support your organization, Bev. You simply have WAY too many personal issues with everybody who's ever worked with you. Your work is important... I wish there were a better spokesperson for the case. Your threat of a suit is SO over the top it boggles my mind.
[And a surprise flanking assault by Dummie Dookus. Oh, and Dookus, you might have your problems with Bev but NEVER type the letters EIA (Elvis Is Alive) or I will haul your DUmmie carcass into court for violation of my sacrosanct trademark.]
. I'm shocked too by Bev's attack.... Who cares what the name is?
[Because that registered BBV trademark is ALL IMPORTANT! It even supersedes the election results. Who cares what person is president when there is someone out there typing “BBV” on his keyboard? In fact Bev will probably have to give up working on her vote fraud project to devote her full time to hunting down the scoundrels typing “BBV.”]
Bev - wouldn't it be easier for you to license DU and its users to use whatever you may have trademarked rather than waste your time chasing around after individual posters to protect your trademarks? If DU is licensed then you are protected. Maybe you should speak to your lawyers about it. Frankly, I don't know how anyone can have exclusive rights to use a generic term like "cleanup crew", but I am not a patent attorney so I will leave that to someone else to comment on if they wish.
[OMG!!! I may have to go into hiding! I recently hired some carpet cleaners to clean my rugs and I did use the term “cleanup crew” when talking to that outfit. There is NO escaping the long arm of Bev Harris and her trademark protection lawsuits.]
This is not something that lends itself to opinions. It is legal stuff, and those of us who are protecting nonprofit 501c(3) charters know how touchy it can be to say the wrong thing under the name of the nonprofit.
[Thanks, Bev, for clearing that up for us….I think. Glad to see you are hunting down those scoundrels typing “cleanup crew” and “BBV” on their keyboards. Their crimes MUST NOT go unpunished!]
You should have copyright designations next to the terms you claim ownership of on your site and a statement at the bottom that "Blackbox Voting" and "Blackbox Voting Cleanup Crew" are protected by trademark/copyright laws as the sole property of Black Box Voting (or whatever your proper corporate name is). You presently have none of that, which (I am guessing) allows blackboxvoting.com (which I know is not your organization) to exist.
[I registered the word “the” and own the proprietary rights to it. Therefore I will be placing a statement beneath everything I post on the web notifying the public that “the” is protected by trademark/copyright laws as the sole property of your humble correspondent. And WOE to anybody using “the” without permission since a lawsuit for trademark infringement will likely result.]
It's a little more complicated. Technically, BlackBoxVoting.com was supposed to be turned over when he went into breach of contract for failure to pay any monthly royalties or account for sales in monthly sales reports. That's in the contract, spelled out clearly. But we're working on taking these crooks to the mat, and nothing bores me more than a tawdry contract dispute with an almost publisher. I'm not the bad guy here, folks. Message control is of critical importance when people are gunning for you. It's not DU that's getting hacked out every 5 minutes, and DU isn't under the kind of scrutiny that Black Box Voting is. We have to be very careful, that's all. The good news is, you can't get your Web site hacked that many times without footprints appearing. I'm very much enjoying the fact that whoever's been doing it will soon be revealed to all of us.
[Thanx for that “explanation,” Bev. And could you now explain how someone hacked into your strawberry ice cream locker?]
Unfortunately, those that do not wish you well, would be looking for any small item to discredit or to use against you.
[NAW! We would never use Bev’s obsession with protecting trademarks on innocuous word or letter combinations. Laugh like hell at it, yes. But use it against her? No way! Why stop the comedy entertainment?]
That's it Bev. I am tired of these specious personal attacks. I am tired of your lies, I am tired of you insatiable ego and I am tired of your mission of personal glory at the expense of others. If you want a VERY public VERY nasty fight in which all of your double-dealings, venom and lies are brought out, so be it. It won't be waged here, as I have WAY more respect for DU than you do.
[Oooh! A bloody retort! This DUmmie battlefield is getting more and more interesting! And now DUmmie althecat sends out to Bev a truce offer….]
Dear Bev,
I have no problem at all with changing our name to something else... DUBBBV Coordination Team or sommat... The BBV bit is kinda vital as it is common parlance around here. And DU makes sense.
I am happy to consider suggestions and will open a thread in our chat room to ask. It will however take a while to erase all mention of the name and it is possible it will crop up in future by people unaware of this problem. I do hope you can be sensible about this.
Would something like that be ok with you?
In terms of how it happened, it was a mistake my mistake...
I was getting tired trying to organise things around here - important threads were dropping like flies and there was no coordination.
I realised we needed to get organised - had a brainwave and set up the group before I really had much of a chance to think about the name.
With the benefit of hindsight I suspect the name popped into my mind because of what you had done ... that said I didn't do it deliberately and certainly did not wish to cause offence.
When I subsequently visited your site I noticed the potential for confusion but by then it was too late. I was kinda wondering when you would notice and rather surprised it took so long.
Today when Eloriel asked for help in the Voting Issues forum on yours and Hedda's behalf I thought it was a signal that everything was going to ok in the world of BBV activism again.
Please lets not let a stupid mistake spoil things around here. There is an enormous amount of goodwill in this group and I would be terribly concerned if your remarks led people to believe that I was in any way trying to undermine you.
As you know we have worked well together in the past. I would like to continue to work with you and those you are working with if possible.
Finally for the record Eloriel had nothing to do with this at all. It was solely my idea and entirely my implementation.
Meanwhile I will ignore your threat to sue. I am far from certain who you could possibly sue in these circumstances except Skinner.. and I suspect he would take a rather dim view of that approach.
My suggestion is that the mods delete this thread and I try and find us a new name. And then we can get on with the matter at hand.
[Too late to delete this thread. It has already been enshrined in the DUmmie FUnnies. In fact, since this thread has all the makings of classic greatness, I believe it will even be inducted into the DUmmie FUnnies Hall of Fame. And what is this matter at hand that you mentioned? I vaguely recall something about some sort of election but the memory escapes me in all this obsession about trademark lawsuit threats.]
If ever DUers needed proof that her priority is self-promotion...Here it is. DUers, break away from her and do your own work. She wants to depend on you to provide research and activism for free, but she gripes when you use a phrase in the common lexicon that she thinks only she has rights to. Let her do her own work. Leave her to do it alone, and you guys do your own work. Threatening to sue DU??? After ONE tombstone already, you would think she'd be a little more considerate. After all, if it WEREN'T for DU, she'd be nothing. SHE owes DU.
[But don’t try asking for your donated money back. That is non-refundable. BTW, did you know that it is a violation of trademark protection to use the term, “Bev Harris Permanent Caribbean Island Vacation Fund?”]
I am new here so bear with me. It seems to me that everyone is on edge because we really all want to change the course of what's happened to us and we know the odds and time are against us, or at least the task is uphill. I can't see how it helps the cause for us to be snarking at each other and especially at Bev Harris. From everything I've read and seen in the past few months, she is really trying to do some good and is on the ground doing it as we speak. I for one, am extremely encouraged by that. I agree, that talking about sueing someone was not the best way to introduce the topic of her concerns about DU co-opting the name she has registered for her organization. But she's probably not getting a lot of sleep and there are real bad guys out there trying to stop her and malign her, they've hacked her site continually etc. It was a genuine mistake by well meaning people at DU to list the clean up crew name without considering the legal implications of doing so. Come'on people, this is a battle we are fighting here, together, to take back our country, either by changing what's just happened or exposing fraud to prevent it from ever happening again. Can't we be more thick skinned here, can't we all just get along? We've really come along way in just under 2 weeks with the recount stuff, let's have some respect for each other's efforts and show some solidarity.
[I regret to inform you that your use of the term “Clean Up Crew” will likely result in your being a target of a massive lawsuit due to hijacking the established trade name of a 501c(3) nonprofit which is actionable.]
I dont know the dynamics or history between these people and their organizations, and I dont really care to know. But the amount of money and publicity MsHarris has collected through DU members and their efforts is phenomenal. It is rather surprising and disappointing to hear from MSHarris lash out in this forum in such a manner, when we are eagerly awaiting updates on the progress her group is making (with our donations) on behalf of this cause.
[Please rest assured that Ms Harris is making good use of your many donations by tracking down each and every one of the GUTTER SCUM who dare to hijack the established name of a 501c(3) nonprofit by typing such names (and letter combinations) on their keyboards.]
Did we waste our money on BBV? Sheesh, what a deflating experience.
[Somewhere way out in the dark Ignorance Wilderness, a lightbulb clicks on above a DUmmie head.]
I am feeling like we are being fleeced and geeked all around right now...first the Bev Harris thing today and now the Cobb request for another gazillion dollars. I am getting pretty discouraged all around.
[A DUmmie and his money are soon parted.]
hey i was duped to i gave bbv 25 bucks last week well before i found out what kind of person she was. It aint about you bev its about democracy. But if all you are in this for is to sell false hope and to promote yourself then you get nothing more from me. Hell it was yesterday that i found out about the lewinski cigars you were pimpen on usenet a few years back..that was a low ass blow. Man and i thought nader had motives. I think shitting on those who wish to help you is like eating your own foot keep it up and you wont have any leggs to stand on. Oh and you sure are getting alot of vote counting done assasinating ELORIAL...or are you on the beach sipping margarittas??
[At the beach sipping margaritas thanx to all the money donated by gullible DUmmies plus a few more bucks earned by marketing the special “fishy flavor” Lewinsky cigars.]
Since business communications are part of my business, I can tell you that Bev's tactics regarding the matters addressed in this thread are vastly inappropriate. Those of us who haven't been around DU that long have *no idea* what the history of this situation is. Obviously, there are some personal issues at work here. That being said, I am very much behind the voting cause. Everybody here, with a few exceptions, is behind the voting cause. I would hate for any of this to detract from that cause. Bev is obviously under a lot of stress. She has a lot of stuff to deal with right now. We should give her the benefit of the doubt regarding her intentions.
[Actually Bev would prefer that you give her the benefit of continuing donations. Hey, margarita-sippin’ beach vacations don’t come cheap.]
Can I have my $25.00 back? Geez, no more from me. I will use it elsewhere, because people who have done nothing but trying to find ways to help you, and this is how you talk to them?
[Your $25 donation to Bev Harris will be refunded as soon as you send in the requisite $500 processing fee.]
Your 25 bucks is gone bubba. I have yet to see her accomplish anything after all this time except getting on radio shows for self promotion. Bev i want you to sue me...that would be fun then i can counter sue you for making up lies that i can prove.
[Will wonders never cease? A DUmmie actually making some sense!]
If you wan't to drink the Koolaid or support someone that takes the work of others and takes credit for it then go ahead.MsCleo wants your money too. Tell me what has she done? Show me the results. So i will make a bet right now or a promise.If she busts something open before inauguration day on her own, i will donate 500 bucks to DU.And fly over to kiss her feet.But guess what that wont happen because i bet smart. Someone might break it all open but it won't be work on her part.
[I’m in SHOCK! The same DUmmie makes another sensible post. However, I regret to inform you that your sensible posts will likely result in your expulsion from DUmmieland.]
Personally, I'm not donating to anybody. Too many scams. Only to people I know personally and know exactly how they are going to spend it. The problem I have with a lot of this is that I have NO IDEA how the money is spent. Without that I don't feel comfortable donating. The other guy working with Bev said they are not spending it on extravagant hotel and travel adventures. He sounded sincere. But I have NO way of really checking. Sorry, I'm very cautious these days.
[The scurrilous charge that Bev spends your donated money on five star hotels is a LIE! She only stays at four star hotels during her margarita-sippin’ beach vacations while doing her vote fraud research.]
did she eventually go for girls in that show?
As a capitalist, that is, someone who actually produces a product paid for by others at a profit to me, I must really object to this characterization.
Please desist from calling scammers who prey upon the fantasies of neurotic liberals with no intention of producing any product or service "capitalists"--at once.
It may be actionable.
Not kidding...
Paging my lawyer...
Please ping me! Thank you.
LOL!!! Stop! I mean it! (It may be actionable...)
Pretty sure that is a picture of Estelle Parsons. She played Gene Hackman's wife in, "Bonnie and Clyde" with Warren Beatty and Faye Dunaway. I also think she won an Academy Award for the role but I'd have to double check that.
Yes, that's Estelle Parsons. She was also on "Roseanne" - played Roseanne's mother, and her name on the show was... Bev Harris! :D
Beverly Harris
That could be a new tagline. Nah, here's one better:
You beat me by 4 seconds! Yep she did win an Oscar for playing Blanche in, "Bonnie and Clyde" (Hackman was also nominated for his role). She did many movies and was nominated for several awards in her career.
I never watched her much in "Roseanne", though.
DUH! I just got the connection...BBV lady, Bev Harris! I'm the dummie, LOL!
You know, I haven't followed this Black Box stuff much. What exactly is she doing in regards to recounts (besides, collecting money)?
Maybe the cesspool known as DU will disintegrate from this. One can only hope.
Hey Bev!
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So go ahead, SUE ME ... I dare ya ...
How do you know they are "fishy flavor"?
Uh oh. Can't we all just get along?™
Rodney King is coming after this one (if he ever gets out of jail).
My goodness, it's a mine field!
Well, I'm not a lawyer (but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night) but I bet any lawyer fresh out of law school, and having just passed the bar would be able to win in court against her regarding use of the phrase "Cleanup Crew" - it's one of those phrases that's been in the english lexicon for a looooong loooong time, and I doubt you could really trademark the phrase.
That would be like me trying to trademark teh phrase "Kiss my ass".
This one is great. :-)
Gee, PJ, do you think I should report BBV.com to her? Big Buxom Virgins?
Incidentally, I am planning to sue you because I have registered AEIOU as my new trademark and intend to protect it agressively. Any usage of AEIOU or any derivitive of that trademark or portion there of, will result in a lawsuit. By derivitive, I have instructed my shyster to file against ANYONE who uses any of the five letters in my trademark, regardless of use.
Pardon me, the door bell has just rung.
I can't believe it... my shyster has sent me a summons for using MY trademark in this post...
I have to hire another shyster to defend myself against myself! Dang!
Th s p st d sn't v l t y r tr d m rk.
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