Posted on 09/19/2004 8:38:35 PM PDT by grace522
IF YOU ARE A KERRY FAN PLEASE READ THIS... YOU MAY NOT WANT TO BELIEVE IT, AND YOU WILL NOT LIKE IT, BUT YOU CAN CHECK THE RECORDS.. I know there's a lot of these going around, but this one is verrrrry interesting.... > [Original Message] Subject: Kerry's Military Record? Oh What a Tangled Web He Weaves...
Now that the Kerry team has again raised the issue of President Bush service in the Texas Air National Guard they should be held to answer the question below outlined by Mr. Steve Nash, US Navy, Retired. If Kerry would release all of his Military records, this issue could be put to bed.
"Steve" Nash, MAC Ret, UDT/SEAL Authentication Team -Director
Authentin SEAL Phone 707 438 0120 "The only service where all investigators are US Navy Seals" http://www.authentiseal.org
Military Record
Unlike McCain, Bush, and Gore,,,, Kerry has adamantly refused to authorize the release of his military records. Most think it'because of his phony battle medals. I think the real reason is below. He was not granted an Honorable Discharge until March 2001, almost 30 years after his ostensible service term had ended!
This is very much out of the ordinary, and highly suspect. There are 5 classes of Discharge: Honorable, General, Other Than Honorable, Bad Conduct,and Dishonorable.
My guess is that he was Discharged in the '70s, but not Honorably. He appealed this sometime while Clinton was in the Oval Office; Political pressure was applied, and the Honorable Discharge was then granted. His file is probably rife with reports of this, submissions and hearings on the appeal, reports of his "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy, along with protests that were filed with respect to his alleged valor under fire.
This will blow up in his face before October 15th. ================================================================
On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry signed a 6 year enlistment contract with the Navy (plus a 6-month extension during wartime). On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry also signed an Officer Candidate contract for 6 years -- 5 years of ACTIVE duty & ACTIVE Naval Reserves, and 1 year of inactive standby reserves (See items #4 & $5). Because John Kerry was discharged from TOTAL ACTIVE DUTY of only 3 years and 18 days on 3 Jan. 1970, he was then required to attend 48 drills per year,and not more than 17 days active duty for training. Kerry was also subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Additionally, Kerry, as a commissioned officer, was prohibited from making adverse statements against his chain of command or statements against his country,especially during time of war. It is also interesting to note that Kerry did not obtain an honorable discharge until Mar. 12, 2001 even though his service obligation should have ended July 1, 1972.
Lt. John Kerry's letter of 21 Nov. 1969 asking for an early release from active US Navy duty falsely states "My current regular period of obligated service would be completed in December of this year."
On Jan. 3, 1970 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to the Naval Reserve Manpower Center in Bainridge, Maryland.. Where are Kerry's Performance Records for 2 years of obligated Ready Reserve, the 48 drills per year required and his not more than 17 days of active duty per year training while Kerry was in the Ready Reserves? Have these records been released? Has anyone ever talked to Kerry's Commanding Officer at the Naval Reserve Center where Kerry drilled?
On 1 July 1972 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to Standby Reserve Inactive.
On 16 February 1978 Lt. John Kerry was discharged from US Naval Reserve.
Below are some of the crimes Lt. Kerry USNR committed as a Ready Reservist, while he was acting as a leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War:
1. Lt. Kerry attended many rallies where the Vietcong flag was displayed while our flag was desecrated, defiled, and mocked, thereby giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
2. Lt. Kerry was involved in a meeting that voted on assassinating members of the US Senate.
3. Lt. Kerry lied under oath against fellow soldiers before the US Senate about crimes committed in Vietnam.
4. Lt. Kerry professed to being a war criminal on national television, and condemned the military and the USA.
5. Lt Kerry met with NVA and Vietcong communist leaders in Paris, in direct violation of the UCMJ and the U.S. Constitution.
Lt. Kerry by his own words & actions violated the UCMJ and the U.S.Code while serving as a Navy officer. Lt. Kerry stands in violation of Article 3, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution. Lt. Kerry's 1970 meeting with NVA Communists in Paris is in direct violation of the UCMJ's Article 104 part 904, and U.S Code 18 U.S.C. 953. That meeting, and Kerry's subsequent support of the communists while leading mass protests against our military in the year that followed, also place him in direct violation of our Constitution's Article 3, Section 3, which defines treason as "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy in time of warfare.
The Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, states, "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President having previously taken an oath to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof." ...........................................end..............
Thanks for the ping!
Actually Kerry doesn't do the releasing .. he just has to sign a form which says the military CAN RELEASE THE STUFF TO WHOEVER asks for it.
I was the NCOIC for "Project 100" (somehwere :-) -- USMC) started immediately following the Paris Accords in 1973.
Medical discharge, hardship discharge, and forced early out discharges, etc., etc., all fell under the umbrella of "General Discharge" under Honorable Conditions. (Memory is shot, but this is how I remember it and I'm sure I'll be corrected if wrong)
General discharge was/is also open for reassessment following a prescribed number of years later through petition to a Naval review board for conversion to "Honorable".
With that said, sKerry could have parlayed his Purple Hearts into a self requested Medical Discharge and recieved it without a hitch, but only AFTER 1973.
It would be very interesting to see sKerry's first discharge certificate! (That would be dated 6 years following his enlistment, back then)
The rumor was that in the Navy you were safe from the jungle. It was claimed that a lot of people joined the Navy to stay out of the Army. I don't really agree with that. Give me the jungle any day to working on a flight deck of an aircraft carrier.
I would also suspect, if you took a percentage of the total number of people who went to Vietnam that died and compared it against the total number of pilots who flew F102A's and the number who died, my guess is that a higher percentage of F102A pilots died even in peace time. I have seen some data on that and it seems that a full 20% of the F102A's manufactured were operational write offs.
"I am also now an active duty Fighter Pilot in the New Jersey Air National Guard"
Thank You for your service to our country.
<< The rumor was that in the Navy you were safe from the jungle. >>
That was Kerry's belief.
As for me, I'm a pilot -- and never really understood either Water OR Earth People!
Per Adua Ad Astra -- B A
how come he has a honorable discharge certificate on his website? Dated 1978?
"how come he has a honorable discharge certificate on his website? Dated 1978?"
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He does? I didn't know. But then why did he need another one in 2001?
I thought the only one public is from 2001.
You are absolutely right about a general discharge. You can receive a general discharge without facing a court martial just for a unsat or pt failure. Uou have to wait until the end of you enlistment contract to appeal it and get it upgraded which is easy to do. Although you generally will not get a general unless its your first contract, if you unsat in your second or third you are generally only barred from re-enlistment but still eligable for a honorable discharge.
>> But where does this 2001 date come from?
> From the DD215 ...
Ok, I see the 2001-03-12 date, but that to me just looks
like the date the form was executed (which is consistent
with it being a FEB 2000 edition form).
I read this just as Kerry preening his awards, but I'm
willing to be mistaken.
I couldn't find the actual data, but I found a DD 214 on his website, which says on page 2, that "no discharge certificate issued at time of separation".
WHY is that?
http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/DD214.pdf
http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/Honorable_Discharge_From_Reserve.pdf
What is missing though is an actual dd214, only a dd215. If we can get his actual dd214, not the one releasing him from basic or active duty but the one releasing him from all service it would answer alot of questions. I have a feeling that in fact he was oth or even a dishonrable, although the latter is unlikely without serving time(which may have happened)
he was being released from active duty and back into the reserves. no need to rank the type of seperation when that happens.
That is what we need to find out. Again, there is a reason Kerry won't sign form 180.....a very good reason.
This is what I remember as well. I recall that the General Discharge (the term "Convenience of the Government" was also used) was an Administrative Discharge - as opposed to one that could be meted out by a Courts Martial. Folks who couldn't hack boot camp were given these discharges, but were told that they could appeal the discharge after X years and get it upgraded.
This is the only scenario I can envision as some like a Bad Conduct Discharge or Dishonorable Discharge would, like a Felony conviction, prevent someone from voting, owning weapons, etc.
I dont understand how everything worked back then, but Kerry's honorable discharge certificate is dated 1978. He enlisted in 1968, thats a ten year difference. OK he received a dd214 from training, and one from active duty(presumably from vietnam service) those encompass appx 3 years of service. Which is a normal enlistmenet period for today, I do not know about the vietnam era. But I have never heard about a ten year initial enlistment, even for a officer generally its 8 years which means assuming it was an 8 year enlistment there was a period of 2 years before he receive an honorable discharge, that just does not smell right. He should have received one immediately at the end of his initial contract period.
ps. I forgot to mention he should have received a dd214 at the end of his initial enlistment also, which is why this smells funny.
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