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To: FairOpinion
He does? I didn't know. But then why did he need another one in 2001?

The form from 2001 is a correction. It's a DD215, not a DD214. The fact that he got a DD215 in 2001 just shows that the DD214 was corrected. It doesn't show that he got more than one DD214.

See my post above as to why Kerry will have almost certainly gotten more than one DD214 (hint: it's the difference between separation and discharge).
58 posted on 09/19/2004 9:38:59 PM PDT by Mike Fieschko ("Daddy, are there bad men on your planes?")
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To: Mike Fieschko

I dont understand how everything worked back then, but Kerry's honorable discharge certificate is dated 1978. He enlisted in 1968, thats a ten year difference. OK he received a dd214 from training, and one from active duty(presumably from vietnam service) those encompass appx 3 years of service. Which is a normal enlistmenet period for today, I do not know about the vietnam era. But I have never heard about a ten year initial enlistment, even for a officer generally its 8 years which means assuming it was an 8 year enlistment there was a period of 2 years before he receive an honorable discharge, that just does not smell right. He should have received one immediately at the end of his initial contract period.


59 posted on 09/19/2004 9:45:49 PM PDT by aft_lizard (I actually voted for John Kerry before I voted against him)
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To: Mike Fieschko

I just read Kerrys enlistment contract, it was for 6 years from febuary 18, 1966. He was released from AD in 1970 and served on Inactive Duty for two years and then released to the
IRR. Is it normal for Naval officers or any other officers from that period to be placed on IRR for 6 years?


64 posted on 09/19/2004 9:56:48 PM PDT by aft_lizard (I actually voted for John Kerry before I voted against him)
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To: Mike Fieschko

Ok. First of all, DD214's are not granted to Guardsmen or Reservists when they seperate. There is another form, and I forget the number. But a DD214 is only given to reservists and guardsmen after completing an active duty tour of service that lasts for more than 30 consecutive days. If Kerry was in the Reserves, and was not activated during that time, he would not have gotten a DD214. However, he would have had to recieve a DD214 when he transferred from Active Duty to the Naval Reserve.

Second...general discharges are granted for a variety of circumstances. While I am not proud of it, I was given a General Discharge after not showing up for my Annual Tour for the National Guard. It was a stupid mistake on my part. I was young and dumb, but I got demoted and my Commander gave me the option of sticking it out or applying for a General Discharge under Honorable conditions. Because my ego was bigger than my brain, I did the latter.

In the end, and at no request from me, I was granted an Honorable Discharge after my IRR committment ended. I am still not sure why, but I got the paperwork three years ago stating that I was Honorably Discharged. I, unlike Kerry, am willing to admit my stupid mistakes.

But the fact is, this is very plausible. I would know better than most due to my circumstances when I seperated from the service. I can't say I believe it, but it is plausible.

(For the record...I spent several months trying to get back in the service after 9/11. I was willing to do my part. However, they had a recruiting boom and no more room for me when I tried.)

In any event...that's how the General Discharge works.


69 posted on 09/19/2004 10:00:19 PM PDT by JayRay (On November 2 Don't Turn the White House Into The Waffle House!)
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