Posted on 09/19/2004 8:38:35 PM PDT by grace522
IF YOU ARE A KERRY FAN PLEASE READ THIS... YOU MAY NOT WANT TO BELIEVE IT, AND YOU WILL NOT LIKE IT, BUT YOU CAN CHECK THE RECORDS.. I know there's a lot of these going around, but this one is verrrrry interesting.... > [Original Message] Subject: Kerry's Military Record? Oh What a Tangled Web He Weaves...
Now that the Kerry team has again raised the issue of President Bush service in the Texas Air National Guard they should be held to answer the question below outlined by Mr. Steve Nash, US Navy, Retired. If Kerry would release all of his Military records, this issue could be put to bed.
"Steve" Nash, MAC Ret, UDT/SEAL Authentication Team -Director
Authentin SEAL Phone 707 438 0120 "The only service where all investigators are US Navy Seals" http://www.authentiseal.org
Military Record
Unlike McCain, Bush, and Gore,,,, Kerry has adamantly refused to authorize the release of his military records. Most think it'because of his phony battle medals. I think the real reason is below. He was not granted an Honorable Discharge until March 2001, almost 30 years after his ostensible service term had ended!
This is very much out of the ordinary, and highly suspect. There are 5 classes of Discharge: Honorable, General, Other Than Honorable, Bad Conduct,and Dishonorable.
My guess is that he was Discharged in the '70s, but not Honorably. He appealed this sometime while Clinton was in the Oval Office; Political pressure was applied, and the Honorable Discharge was then granted. His file is probably rife with reports of this, submissions and hearings on the appeal, reports of his "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy, along with protests that were filed with respect to his alleged valor under fire.
This will blow up in his face before October 15th. ================================================================
On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry signed a 6 year enlistment contract with the Navy (plus a 6-month extension during wartime). On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry also signed an Officer Candidate contract for 6 years -- 5 years of ACTIVE duty & ACTIVE Naval Reserves, and 1 year of inactive standby reserves (See items #4 & $5). Because John Kerry was discharged from TOTAL ACTIVE DUTY of only 3 years and 18 days on 3 Jan. 1970, he was then required to attend 48 drills per year,and not more than 17 days active duty for training. Kerry was also subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Additionally, Kerry, as a commissioned officer, was prohibited from making adverse statements against his chain of command or statements against his country,especially during time of war. It is also interesting to note that Kerry did not obtain an honorable discharge until Mar. 12, 2001 even though his service obligation should have ended July 1, 1972.
Lt. John Kerry's letter of 21 Nov. 1969 asking for an early release from active US Navy duty falsely states "My current regular period of obligated service would be completed in December of this year."
On Jan. 3, 1970 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to the Naval Reserve Manpower Center in Bainridge, Maryland.. Where are Kerry's Performance Records for 2 years of obligated Ready Reserve, the 48 drills per year required and his not more than 17 days of active duty per year training while Kerry was in the Ready Reserves? Have these records been released? Has anyone ever talked to Kerry's Commanding Officer at the Naval Reserve Center where Kerry drilled?
On 1 July 1972 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to Standby Reserve Inactive.
On 16 February 1978 Lt. John Kerry was discharged from US Naval Reserve.
Below are some of the crimes Lt. Kerry USNR committed as a Ready Reservist, while he was acting as a leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War:
1. Lt. Kerry attended many rallies where the Vietcong flag was displayed while our flag was desecrated, defiled, and mocked, thereby giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
2. Lt. Kerry was involved in a meeting that voted on assassinating members of the US Senate.
3. Lt. Kerry lied under oath against fellow soldiers before the US Senate about crimes committed in Vietnam.
4. Lt. Kerry professed to being a war criminal on national television, and condemned the military and the USA.
5. Lt Kerry met with NVA and Vietcong communist leaders in Paris, in direct violation of the UCMJ and the U.S. Constitution.
Lt. Kerry by his own words & actions violated the UCMJ and the U.S.Code while serving as a Navy officer. Lt. Kerry stands in violation of Article 3, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution. Lt. Kerry's 1970 meeting with NVA Communists in Paris is in direct violation of the UCMJ's Article 104 part 904, and U.S Code 18 U.S.C. 953. That meeting, and Kerry's subsequent support of the communists while leading mass protests against our military in the year that followed, also place him in direct violation of our Constitution's Article 3, Section 3, which defines treason as "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy in time of warfare.
The Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, states, "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President having previously taken an oath to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof." ...........................................end..............
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THE BALLOONIST
A woman in a hot air balloon realized she was lost. She lowered altitude and spotted a man in a boat below. She shouted to him,
"Excuse me, can you help me? I promised a friend I would meet him an hour ago, but I don't know where I am."
The man in the boat consulted his portable GPS and replied, "You're in a hot air balloon approximately 30 feet above a ground elevation of 2346 feet above sea level. You are 31 degrees, 14.97 minutes north latitude and 100 degrees, 49.09 minutes west longitude."
She rolled her eyes and said, "You must be a Republican.."
"I am," replied the man. "How did you know?"
"Well," answered the balloonist, "everything you told me is technically correct ... I have no idea what to make of your information . . . and I'm still lost. Frankly, you've not been much help to me."
The man smiled and responded, "You must be a Democrat."
"I am," replied the balloonist. "How did you know?"
"Well," said the man, "you don't know where you are or where you are going. You've risen to where you are, due to a large quantity of hot air... You made a promise that you have no idea how to keep . . . and you expect me to solve your problem.. . . You're in exactly the same position you were in before we met. . . but somehow, now it's my fault."
The DD214 on his website says the following:
Length of service at the time it was issued from pg 1 = 3 MO and 27 days!
It ordered him to Off Indoc Training IN fact....Everyone needs to look at this because I believe it is BOGUS! It appears to start out being the DD214 issued when his orders were changed to go to Officers Indoctrination and all the Vietnam stuff was added to it! This is so obvious, how did we miss it??? Can someone show that document here???
I looked at the DD-215. I do not see anything on there that changes his discharge status. It just makes some corrections to his medals, that are indicated on the form.
I do believe that he his hiding a lot of things.
Regardless, if he does not sign the 180, his records cannot be released, period.
My understanding is the AP suit is that the President did sign the 180. The suit alleges that the AP filed a FOIA, but the governement did not released all the records requested under their FOIA request.
That's pretty easy to explain. Kerry was a member of the Navy Reserves, and would have received a DD-214 after he finished with indoc training. It is not a final discharge and says so. I don't know what the rules are for extended activation periods--if another one is issued or what not. It's possible, though. At any rate, for normal reservists, an honorable discharge is issued seperately later. In addition, honorable service can be ascertained by other means, including calculating the number of points accumulated each year.
How many others (than Kerry) were awarded (by DD214 or ???)
the Silver Star with combat V (by mistake or otherwise)?
It is VERY POSSIBLE that he received an "other than honorable" or a "general" discharge. And then he pulled strings to get it changed to "honorable."
That is what he may be hiding.
Aren't the American people entitled to see exactly what kind of discharge this Kerry person received? After all, we are being asked by the DNC to elect him President.
I demand to know. How can we find out?
Ok! This is what I've been waiting for!
Hope there is indisputable evidence!
However, I have been left in recent months to disbelieve just about every document out there; if not for its' insertions, but for motives preceding insertions and even creations and the creators themselves.
Color me paranoid of any truth coming from Kerry's well thought out presidential campaign which covers decades of spin doctoring and inconsistencies.
Doesn't sound right to me. Individual Ready Reserve is applied to those with a remaining service committment. Fleet Reserve is for those with 20-20 years of service.
John Kerry! Answer the questions!
thanks for the .pdf but unfortunately my webtv will not download .pdf's.
if you have an html or plain text version, please post, thanks...rto
I don't think he can and would respond by; "Don't question my patriotism!"
My reply; "President Bush has released ALL his records, why won't you? Something about your discharge?"
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How about Drudge Radio?
This is entirely believable - there are certain incongruities on the DD-214 that John Kerry had put up on his website that did not sound right. Dan Rather may have done far more grievous damage to John Kerry by permitting doubts to arise in the veracity of the so-called "CYA" memos used in trying to smear Bush. Once the one set of documents had been demonstrated to have been forged, believing in additional forgeries gets easier and easier.
What I haven't seen yet brought up in discussion is the DD Form 293 [pdf] 'Application For the Review of Discharge or Dismissal From the Armed Forces of the United States,' which Kerry most likely used to initiate upgrade presented to a discharge review board.
Applications must be made within 15 years after discharge.
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