Posted on 09/19/2004 8:38:35 PM PDT by grace522
IF YOU ARE A KERRY FAN PLEASE READ THIS... YOU MAY NOT WANT TO BELIEVE IT, AND YOU WILL NOT LIKE IT, BUT YOU CAN CHECK THE RECORDS.. I know there's a lot of these going around, but this one is verrrrry interesting.... > [Original Message] Subject: Kerry's Military Record? Oh What a Tangled Web He Weaves...
Now that the Kerry team has again raised the issue of President Bush service in the Texas Air National Guard they should be held to answer the question below outlined by Mr. Steve Nash, US Navy, Retired. If Kerry would release all of his Military records, this issue could be put to bed.
"Steve" Nash, MAC Ret, UDT/SEAL Authentication Team -Director
Authentin SEAL Phone 707 438 0120 "The only service where all investigators are US Navy Seals" http://www.authentiseal.org
Military Record
Unlike McCain, Bush, and Gore,,,, Kerry has adamantly refused to authorize the release of his military records. Most think it'because of his phony battle medals. I think the real reason is below. He was not granted an Honorable Discharge until March 2001, almost 30 years after his ostensible service term had ended!
This is very much out of the ordinary, and highly suspect. There are 5 classes of Discharge: Honorable, General, Other Than Honorable, Bad Conduct,and Dishonorable.
My guess is that he was Discharged in the '70s, but not Honorably. He appealed this sometime while Clinton was in the Oval Office; Political pressure was applied, and the Honorable Discharge was then granted. His file is probably rife with reports of this, submissions and hearings on the appeal, reports of his "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy, along with protests that were filed with respect to his alleged valor under fire.
This will blow up in his face before October 15th. ================================================================
On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry signed a 6 year enlistment contract with the Navy (plus a 6-month extension during wartime). On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry also signed an Officer Candidate contract for 6 years -- 5 years of ACTIVE duty & ACTIVE Naval Reserves, and 1 year of inactive standby reserves (See items #4 & $5). Because John Kerry was discharged from TOTAL ACTIVE DUTY of only 3 years and 18 days on 3 Jan. 1970, he was then required to attend 48 drills per year,and not more than 17 days active duty for training. Kerry was also subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Additionally, Kerry, as a commissioned officer, was prohibited from making adverse statements against his chain of command or statements against his country,especially during time of war. It is also interesting to note that Kerry did not obtain an honorable discharge until Mar. 12, 2001 even though his service obligation should have ended July 1, 1972.
Lt. John Kerry's letter of 21 Nov. 1969 asking for an early release from active US Navy duty falsely states "My current regular period of obligated service would be completed in December of this year."
On Jan. 3, 1970 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to the Naval Reserve Manpower Center in Bainridge, Maryland.. Where are Kerry's Performance Records for 2 years of obligated Ready Reserve, the 48 drills per year required and his not more than 17 days of active duty per year training while Kerry was in the Ready Reserves? Have these records been released? Has anyone ever talked to Kerry's Commanding Officer at the Naval Reserve Center where Kerry drilled?
On 1 July 1972 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to Standby Reserve Inactive.
On 16 February 1978 Lt. John Kerry was discharged from US Naval Reserve.
Below are some of the crimes Lt. Kerry USNR committed as a Ready Reservist, while he was acting as a leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War:
1. Lt. Kerry attended many rallies where the Vietcong flag was displayed while our flag was desecrated, defiled, and mocked, thereby giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
2. Lt. Kerry was involved in a meeting that voted on assassinating members of the US Senate.
3. Lt. Kerry lied under oath against fellow soldiers before the US Senate about crimes committed in Vietnam.
4. Lt. Kerry professed to being a war criminal on national television, and condemned the military and the USA.
5. Lt Kerry met with NVA and Vietcong communist leaders in Paris, in direct violation of the UCMJ and the U.S. Constitution.
Lt. Kerry by his own words & actions violated the UCMJ and the U.S.Code while serving as a Navy officer. Lt. Kerry stands in violation of Article 3, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution. Lt. Kerry's 1970 meeting with NVA Communists in Paris is in direct violation of the UCMJ's Article 104 part 904, and U.S Code 18 U.S.C. 953. That meeting, and Kerry's subsequent support of the communists while leading mass protests against our military in the year that followed, also place him in direct violation of our Constitution's Article 3, Section 3, which defines treason as "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy in time of warfare.
The Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, states, "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President having previously taken an oath to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof." ...........................................end..............
The UCMJ applies to reservists only while undergoing reserve training: UCMJ Applicability 802.2(a)(3) "Members of a reserve component while on inactive-duty training."
I've been down the road researching many of the issues raised in this thread (and in Post #1).
There are a ton of innacuracies here which could easily have been vetted with a few hours of research.
No problem. I really screwed up when I looked at that pdf file. I don't know why I was thinking it was one document with two pages, but obviously I hadn't read the detail very carefully before last night. You error is nothing in comparison. :) I don't know how I managed to post that because the intention was no to. Sheesh!
His website has changed since people have looked at the details posted and the media has also produced some glaring differences.
Agree, there have been some changes once the facts were out, which contradicted his assertions. That said, we still have access to the source documents thru Kerry's site and Findlaw.
> The UCMJ applies to reservists only while
> undergoing reserve training:
What's your take on the Holzer's article?
John Kerry, Criminal
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15127
I'm still not seeing the basic "2001" premise in this thread.
Agreed. See my #139.
There at least 5 factual errors in Post #1, all easily verifiable by examining the Kerry docs on Findlaw. And when I say "at least" I mean that there several more that I noticed but simply didn't have time to debunk.
This thread is completely out of control. The Kerry docs are all out there, all folks need to do is to read them.
sKerry has been talking about his Vietnam service 4 times longer than he actually was in Vietnam.
It's a little late in the day. Maybe under Nixon but don't count on Ashcroft to do such a thing.
I believe it was hillary on some talk show....I don't think she was refering to the President...
When pigs fly...
No. I was referring to one DD214 that was issued when he went to Officer Training. Ignore that post, where ever it is, because it is wrong. It was not supposed to be posted.
BTW, Kerry has been talking about his Vietnam service ever since he was in Vietnam! I sure would like to be one of the people in those deates asking the questions! :)
You can absolutely get an Other Than Honorable discharge as a result of Non-Judicial Punishment given by a Commanding Officer. You have the right to demand a courts martial in lieu of NJP but could face much more serious consequences as a result of the courts martial process. If I was involved in seditious activity, I would take the OTH and be on my way.
> It's a little late in the day. Maybe under Nixon
> but don't count on Ashcroft to do such a thing.
Agreed. How about the jury coming in on 02 Nov?
If there were prosecutable offenses then (and perhaps yet),
the electorate needs to know.
A lot of voters are too young to be aware of Kerry's
post-war treachery. If, in addition to demoralizing the
troops, encouraging the enemy, and getting millions
killed in Asia, it was also solidly illegal, I see no
problem in adding that charge to the pile.
Yep. And not only that, the (socialist) media's double standard of not even challenging Kerry's (unreleased) military records says volumes.
We need to wait and see on this one. It is the old saying, "Where there is a lot of smoke, there could be a fire".
By the way, when Carter pardoned all the draft dodgers and deserters, the ones who were living in Canada were promised civil service jobs if they would come home. These were mundane positions simular to what we had at the old CCC camps, but they were jobs. This took place during the Carter resession. However at the same time he changed the rules for veterans preference in getting a civil service postion. If you had more than two years of college you could not use your veterans' preference for entry in civil service. However if you fled to Canada and came back, you were given a job. I went through this after I got off active duty and was unemployed for about eight months.
If you don't believe this happened, bet me some money and we will check it out. I am still pissed off about the way Vietnam veterans got treated.
If he has an Honorable Discharge wouldn't he post it on his website along with his other released records? If he does have an HD, and it's not posted, then perhaps this story is true? By not posting he must be hiding something, like the date of his Discharge???...rto
btw, I was on active duty from 1960 - 1965 and was kept on (inactive) standby reserve until 1972, at which time, with no action of my part, I received my Honorable Discharge.
There is only one way to find out. A signed form 180. He will not do that. Why???
I don't SEE a date on the document, of the document.
(of when the document was typed)
If you see such, please respond with the
block number.
...
What bothers me is that the lower part contains
mention of the Silver Star 'V' device, which I don't see
on the two (of the three that exist) Silver Star citations on Kerry's website.
In order to lessen the furor over the cBS forgeries...
WATCH FOR the liberal scum to generate some type of
anti-Kerry MEMOS (that can be quickly discredited) and they
will seed the intenet with those, hoping we bite.
Kerry was a commissioned officer and therefore eligible for 3 types of discharges.
Honorable
General under conditions other than honorable.
Dishonorable.
Enlisted personnel are eligible for 5 types:
Honorable
General under honorable conditions
General under conditions other than honorable.
Bad Conduct Discharge
Dishonorable.
Since Kerry was eligible for the three above - let's take a look at what it take. Kerry would have received 3 dishcharges. One from the USNR to accept a commission. One when when he went off active duty and the final one from the reserves.
The vast majority of officers and enlisted men receive honorable discharges. You almost have to try and get something lower. The "Other than Honorable Discharge" for an officer has to be predicated on the action of a board of officers and something akin to an investigation. The Dishonorable can only come as a result of a General Court Martial. We would have definitely heard of that one and Kerry could have never run for public office.
This leaves the possibility of the "Other than Honorable". I have serious doubts this could have happened. The Navy would have had to convene a special board and Kerry would have had the right to appear. Given Kerry's notoriety at the time, I doubt this would not appeared in the print or broadcast media at the time.
I really think pursuing the status of M. Kerry's discharge is basically a dry hole. This is from someone who thinks he is basically the scum of the earth.
What I do think an SF 180 would reveal is that the After Action reports that predicated his Bronze & Silver stars were indeed "puffed" as well as the Purple Heart citations.
The swifties do an excellent analysis of John Kerry's Fitreps. These are the fitreps he has authorized for release. Most people that would be familiar with Officer evaluations and promotion boards could reasonably conclude that Lt. j.g. Kerry would never reach 04 on active duty and possibly not 03. Kerry's combat fitreps are the most damaging to his prospects of having a long Navy career. The fitreps also show there is probably a lot more info out there.
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