Kerry not Honorably Discharged?

"Steve" Nash, MAC Ret, UDT/SEAL Authentication Team -Director ^ | 18 Sep 2004 | Steve Nash

[Excuse_My_Bellicosity]

I want to know who was the military brass that ultimately approved this. Probably some careerist dickhead who couldn't get a promotion any other way.

[MistyCA]

Wait. What about the discharge that was issued in 1978 at the pleasure of President Carter? It says it was honorable. I do not, however, think it was a Naval Discharge. I think it was a general honorable discharge.

[MeekOneGOP]

The media is totally SILENT on Kerry's military records, aren't they? Not a PEEP!

Bush signed the standard form 180 to release his military records, but Kerry has NOT. Yet he's TELLING everyone that he HAS released them.

I guess if you keep telling the lie, people will believe it .....

[MistyCA]

Check out this thread where the Carter discharge is discussed

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1207871/posts

I wish I had seen that before! :)

[Jim Noble]

Carter's pardon only applied to violations of the Selective Service Act.

[MistyCA]

No, he gave him a discharge under Title 10 US Code 1162 which is at the pleasure of the President and may have been just for Kerry. You think? Maybe?

[Jim Noble]

My Dad's USNR discharge was at the pleasure of the President.

I bet there's nothing here.

[MistyCA]

You could be right. Something isn't right though. I want to see what the repealed code section 1162 says.

[Brownie74]

When I was discharged from the Air Force in 1961 my DD-214 says "Honorable" even though I still had 2 years of inactive reserve duty to fulfil.

Box 11 - TYPE OF TRANSFER OR DISCHARGE -- Released From Active Duty.

Box 13a - CHARACTER OF SERVICE -- Honorable.

Maybe there is a difference in active reserve and inactive reserve. Anyway, If Kerry has nothing to hide I see no reason why he shouldn't release his military records. He's hiding something.

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[E.G.C.]

BTTT!!!!!!!!

[Drammach]

Here ya go... Nuttin' there..

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=browse_usc&docid=Cite:+10USC1162

Title 10 US Code 1162

TITLE 10--ARMED FORCES

Subtitle A--General Military Law

PART II--PERSONNEL

CHAPTER 59--SEPARATION

[Secs. 1162, 1163. Repealed. Pub. L. 103-337, div. A, title XVI,
Sec. 1662(i)(2), Oct. 5, 1994, 108 Stat. 2998]

Section 1162, acts Aug. 10, 1956, ch. 1041, 70A Stat. 89; Sept. 2,
1958, Pub. L. 85-861, Sec. 1(27), 72 Stat. 1450, related to discharge of
Reserves. See sections 12681 and 12682 of this title.

Search for USC Code Title 10 Sec. 12681-12682 found the following:

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/casecode/uscodes/3/chapters/4/sections/section_301_notes.html

* United States Code
o TITLE 3 - THE PRESIDENT
+ CHAPTER 4 - DELEGATION OF FUNCTIONS

U.S. Code as of: 01/06/03
Section 301 - Notes

SOURCE
(Added Oct. 31, 1951, ch. 655, Sec. 10, 65 Stat. 712.)
TRANSFER OF FUNCTIONS

(f) The authority vested in the President by section 248 of the
said Armed Forces Reserve Act (see 10 U.S.C. 12681, 12682), to
effect the discharge of commissioned officers of the reserve.

[E.G.C.]

BTTT!!!!!!!

[MeekOneGOP]

Jeez! The DemocRATS are the champions of Evil .....

[Drammach]

Let me add something else here..

Are you sure it was USC title 10, sec 1162?

Could it have been UCMJ "Article" 1162?

1162. Alcoholic Liquors

The personal possession of any alcoholic liquors aboard any ship is prohibited.
The transportation aboard ship of alcoholic liquors for personal use ashore is authorized subject to the discretion of, and under regulations established by, the commanding officer.

This is a long shot, granted, but he may have violated a Navy Reg, been subject to court-martial under UCMJ, and been granted a discharge rather than face trial..

Personally, I think the prior post is more likely..
He was simply discharged at his request, to go into politics..

President Carter would have probably known Kerry's intentions, and political aspirations, and Leftist leanings..
Just the sort of young officer the President and the DNC would want, running for office..

[greasepaint]

(from Kerry's website) Look at his form DD214, the page
on the right.
Where is the date of thAT document?

[NewRomeTacitus]

What's the deal with all the censorship lately? I'm just a soldier fighting the Communists like most of you are; always have and always will. If there's no room for blue-collar mutts like myself just say so and be manly about you're hostility. If the Republican Party is really about protecting a top earning percent and has nothing to do with right versus wrong admit that. I wish someone would admit that, because I'd then know who to leave on the field for fertilizer. We take on the duty, kill our enemies, are expected to feel bad about that and, most insultingly, are asked to pretend that we're incapable of doing work that you need done because you've lost the will to look after yourselves. This has been my whole problem in civilian life - I'm valued for my refined military skills yet no one wants me around in peacetime. I and my spiritual brethren deserve peaceful success far more than your gutless and lazy cohabitants and every one of you know it. That you can not tolerate our presence says everything we need to know about you. Shoot us straighter next time and don't complain about the dirt we end up shoveling over you when you betray us. I serve America. You can't have this nation and dispense with people like me willing to sacrifice for it. Make room for us or quit taking up valuable oxygen. Scum.

[Gracey]

bump for later

[Mia T]

YOO-HOO DAN RATHER!

KERRY'S BELATED "HONORABLE" DISCHARGE:
Is a less-than-honorable discharge and clinton "pardon" behind Kerry's refusal to sign form 180 to release ALL of his records?
(Pres. Bush signed form 180. WHAT IS KERRY HIDING?)

[angkor]

There are many factual errors in your post. I mention this not to slam you but because I've already been down this road on virtually every point mentioned.

All supporting documents are here:

http://news.findlaw.com/legalnews/lit/election2004/docs.html

1) Kerry received an honorable discharge on 2/16/78

2) Kerry's officer candidate agreement dated 2/18/66 does not adamantly "require" a Ready Reserve schedule of 48 drills or 17 days service per annum. You will note the following clause "or other appropriate Reserve training as may be authorized." If because of post-VN drawdowns Kerry was not called to Reserve duty, then there's no there, there.

3) The Naval Reserve Manpower Center in Bainbridge was a records and personnel administration center for USNR. It was not an active command post where people reported for Reserve duty.

4) The UCMJ applies to reservists only while undergoing reserve training, UCMJ 802.2(a)(3) "Members of a reserve component while on inactive-duty training."

5) Lt. John Kerry's letter of 21 Nov. 1969 ... falsely states "My current regular period of obligated service would be completed in December of this year." This is not a false statement. Kerry's officer candidate agreement of 2/18/1966 establishes that his service period begins from the day of commission. Kerry was commissioned as a USNR Ensign on 12/16/66. His three-year active term thus concludes on 12/16/1969.

There are several other errors, but I don't have time to list them at the moment. Will be happy to followup later.

[Tax Government]

Is it legal for a person in the military to also serve as a senator? If Kerry had not been formally separated until 2001, does that create a problem?