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Questions about Nick Berg
Multiple ^ | 5-12-2004 | Solson

Posted on 05/12/2004 11:36:57 AM PDT by Solson

Something is really odd about Nick Berg's situation in Iraq. First, he was thought to have been detained by US Forces. Now, it is the Iraqi police in Mosul. Today, it comes to light he has an Iraqi-in-law who lives in the Mosul area.

Now, reports are that Nick had the opportunity to leave and did not take it.

Finally, the pictures of his brutal killing...I found it odd he had a beard very similar to that of many Muslims.

That's all. Something isn't complete in this story. His death is tragic and infuriating. But there are unanswered questions.

Meanwhile, his dad, who is associated with A.N.S.W.E.R. is squealing about how his death was Bush's fault and how civil rights are being trampled.


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Can anyone fill in the missing links of this story?
1 posted on 05/12/2004 11:36:58 AM PDT by Solson
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To: Solson
Source: http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&u=/ap/20040512/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq&printer=1

The body of Nicholas Berg, 26, was found Saturday near a highway overpass in Baghdad, the same day he was decapitated, a U.S. official said.

Berg, who disappeared April 9, was shown in the video on a Web site bearing the title "Abu Musab al-Zarqawi shown slaughtering an American," referring to an associate of Osama bin Laden (news - web sites) believed behind a wave of suicide bombings in Iraq (news - web sites).

The video posted Tuesday showed a bound Berg in an orange jumpsuit — similar to those issued to prisoners held by the American military at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. He was sitting in front of five men, their faces masked, as one read an anti-American text.

After pushing Berg to the floor, the men severed his head using sawing motions with a big knife and held it up for the camera. They said his killing was in response to the abuse of Iraqis at Abu Ghraib prison.

The body of the self-employed telecommunications businessman from West Chester, Pa., was being flown to Dover, Del., on an Air Force plane, the military said.

But unanswered questions remained about Berg in the days before he vanished, as well as where and when he was abducted.

Berg, who was Jewish, spoke to his parents March 24 and told them he would return home on March 30, according to his family in suburban Philadelphia.

But Berg was detained by Iraqi police at a checkpoint in Mosul on March 24. He was turned over to U.S. officials and detained for 13 days, the family said.

His father, Michael, said his son was not allowed to make phone calls or contact a lawyer.

Coalition spokesman Dan Senor told reporters that Berg was detained by Iraqi police in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul. The Iraqis informed the Americans, and the FBI (news - web sites) questioned him three times about what he was doing in Iraq.

Senor said that to his knowledge Berg "was at no time under the jurisdiction or detention of coalition forces."

Michael Berg told The Associated Press, however, that U.S. officials were "playing word games."

"The Iraqi police do not tell the FBI what to do. The FBI tells the Iraqi police what to do. Who do they think they're kidding?" the elder Berg said.

Calls by the AP to police in Mosul failed to find anyone who could confirm Berg was held there. The U.S.-led Coalition Provisional Authority runs Iraq, controlling not only the police, but the military and all government ministries.

FBI agents visited Berg's parents March 31 and told the family they were trying to confirm their son's identity.

On April 5, the Bergs filed suit in federal court in Philadelphia, contending their son was being held illegally by the U.S. military. The next day, Berg was released. He told his parents he had not been mistreated.

Berg's father blamed the U.S. government for creating circumstances that led to his son's death, saying if his son had not been detained for so long, he might have been able to leave Iraq before the violence worsened.

"I think a lot of people are fed up with the lack of civil rights this thing has caused," Michael Berg said. "I don't think this administration is committed to democracy."

Asked for details about Berg's last weeks in Iraq, Senor replied: "We are obviously trying to piece all this together, and there's a thorough investigation." He said he was reluctant to release details but did not say why.

"The U.S. government is committed to a very thorough and robust investigation to get to the bottom of this," Senor said, adding that "multiple" U.S. agencies would be involved and that the FBI would probably have overall direction.

Senor said that in Iraq, Berg had no affiliation with the U.S. government, the coalition or "to my knowledge" any coalition-affiliated contractor. But Senor would not specify why Iraqi police, who generally take direction from coalition authorities, had arrested him and held him.

Police in Mosul "suspected that he was engaged in suspicious activities," Senor said, refusing to elaborate. Berg was released April 6 and advised to leave the country, Senor added.

Michael Berg said that in early April, his son refused a U.S. offer to board an outbound charter flight because he thought the travel to the airport — through an area where attacks had occurred — was too risky.

Berg apparently had an Iraqi in-law in the Mosul area, according to emails to his family.

Brig. Gen Mark Kimmitt said the only role the U.S. military played in Berg's confinement was to liaise with the Iraqi police to make sure he was being fed and properly treated because "he was still an American citizen."

It was unclear whether al-Zarqawi was shown in the Web site video or simply ordered the killing. Al-Zarqawi also is sought in the assassination of a U.S. diplomat in Jordan in 2002, and Washington has offered a $10 million reward for information leading to his capture or killing.

Berg's father, brother and sister wept in their front yard Tuesday when told of the video.

"I knew he was decapitated before," said his father, Michael. "That manner is preferable to a long and torturous death. But I didn't want it to become public."

The father said "there's a better chance than not" that his son's captors knew he was Jewish. "If there was any doubt that they were going to kill him, that probably clinched it, I'm guessing," he said.

Michael Berg said that in early April, his son refused a U.S. offer in to board an outbound charter jet because he thought the travel to the airport — through an area where attacks had occurred — would be too dangerous.

Amnesty International condemned the killing as "a serious crime under international law," and said those responsible should be brought to justice.

President Bush (news - web sites) said "there's no justification" for Berg's slaying and that those who beheaded Berg wanted to "shake" America's resolve in bringing democracy to Iraq.

U.S. officials fear the savage killing might prompt more foreigners working on international reconstruction projects to flee the country.

Since the security situation deteriorated last month, about three out of 10 Americans and other non-Iraqis involved in reconstruction projects financed by the U.S. Agency for International Development have fled Iraq, the USAID director Andrew Natsios told The Associated Press.

Berg's killing happened amid a climate of intense anti-Western sentiment, which flared in Iraq after last month's crackdown on Shiite extremists and the three-week Marine siege of Fallujah west of Baghdad. Anger at the United States swelled with the publication of photographs showing Iraqis abused and humiliated at Abu Ghraib prison, which continue to stir rage throughout the Arab world.

U.S. officials had feared the shocking photographs would endanger the lives of American troops and civilians.

Seven soldiers from the 372nd Military Police Company face charges in the mistreatment of prisoners at Abu Ghraib in a scandal that has sparked worldwide outrage. One of those soldiers faces a court-martial in Baghdad next week, the first to go to trial.

At one point in the video, Berg addressed the camera.

"My name is Nick Berg. My father's name is Michael. My mother's name is Suzanne," he said while seated in a chair. "I have a brother and sister, David and Sara. I live in ... Philadelphia."

The video then showed Berg sitting on the floor, his hands tied behind his back, flanked by the masked men, as a statement was read in Arabic. Berg sat still during the statement, facing the camera, occasionally raising his shoulders.

The men said they had tried to trade him for prisoners at Abu Ghraib.

"For the mothers and wives of American soldiers, we tell you that we offered the U.S. administration to exchange this hostage for some of the detainees in Abu Ghraib, and they refused," one of the men read.

"So we tell you that the dignity of the Muslim men and women in Abu Ghraib and others is not redeemed except by blood and souls. You will not receive anything from us but coffins after coffins ... slaughtered in this way."

After the statement, the assailant directly behind Berg took a large knife from under his clothing while another pulled Berg onto his side. The video showed assailants thrusting the knife through his neck as a scream sounded before the men cut Berg's head off, repeatedly shouting "Allahu Akbar!" — or "God is great."

They then held the head up to the camera.

The video is of poor quality, and its time stamp seems to show an 11-hour lapse between when the assailants finish their statement and push Berg down, to when they behead him. That suggests a delay between those two portions of tape posted on the Web site.

The decapitation recalled the kidnapping and videotaped beheading of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl. Last month, Iraqi militants also videotaped the killing of Italian hostage Fabrizio Quattrocchi.

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Associated Press reporter Jason Straziuso contributed to this story from West Chester, Pa.

2 posted on 05/12/2004 11:40:55 AM PDT by Solson (Conservatives are concerned with the'end'; Liberals about the 'means' and the 'particulars.')
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To: Solson
hmm
3 posted on 05/12/2004 11:40:55 AM PDT by birg
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To: Solson
He has an Iraqi in-law?? First I heard that one. He has a Jewish name. The beard would grow like an Arab's because both Jews and Arabs are Semitic people. He was clean shaven when he left.
4 posted on 05/12/2004 11:41:24 AM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: Solson
I found it odd he had a beard very similar to that of many Muslims.

Similar to that of many Jews, also, which makes sense since he was Jewish.

My take is that somebody had him in protective custody until his parents raised a stink and got him released directly into the arms of his murderers.

5 posted on 05/12/2004 11:41:34 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: Solson
Iraqi police got him, handed him over to the US. Was supposed to leave six days after that day, but was held for 13 days, making him miss his departure. Was kidnapped not long after release.
6 posted on 05/12/2004 11:42:19 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Solson
He died because he was too stupidly liberal to believe that anyone in Iraq would kill him. I think that he really and truly beleived that his politics would protect him because he empathized more with the militant, terrorist Iraqis than he did with the victims of 9/11..
7 posted on 05/12/2004 11:43:12 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: Solson
He was there under the banner of liberal tolerance to make Iraq a better place for terrorists.
8 posted on 05/12/2004 11:44:10 AM PDT by chambley1 (n)
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To: Solson
"Berg apparently had an Iraqi in-law in the Mosul area, according to emails to his family."

WAIT A MINUTE! He, a Jew, married an Iraqi? Man. Well, unless new details come to light, the case is closed for me. The Wahabists go rabid over less. We saw the result.

9 posted on 05/12/2004 11:45:25 AM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: Solson
""Berg's killing happened amid a climate of intense anti-Western sentiment, which flared in Iraq after last month's crackdown on Shiite extremists and the three-week Marine siege of Fallujah west of Baghdad. Anger at the United States swelled with the publication of photographs showing Iraqis abused and humiliated at Abu Ghraib prison, which continue to stir rage throughout the Arab world""

THE MEDIA SHOULD HAVE LET THE MILITARY HANDLE THE ABUSE SCANDAL INSTEAD OF TRYING TO WIN THE ELECTION FOR KERRY!
10 posted on 05/12/2004 11:47:41 AM PDT by Kackikat
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To: Solson
I just saw photos of Nick on another thread. One was just a normal snapshot of him, the rest were of his murder. He didn't much look like he did in the normal snapshot. I was taken aback by the beard. He looked middle eastern.
11 posted on 05/12/2004 11:47:49 AM PDT by abigailsmybaby (I yam what I yam and that's all that I yam.)
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To: birg
"On April 5, the Bergs filed suit in federal court in Philadelphia, contending their son was being held illegally by the U.S. military. The next day, Berg was released. He told his parents he had not been mistreated."

There is a small disconnect here. . .we read what the parents assumptions are; and Nick after his release, offering he had not been mistreated. . .

Surely he told them the where and who. . .and why of his detention. Does he confirm his parents assumptions or not. . .

12 posted on 05/12/2004 11:49:28 AM PDT by cricket (Liberals are a scourge . . .)
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To: Maynard G. Krebbs
Me too. It surprised me. Perhaps he was trying to fade into the background...to look less American so he wouldn't be targeted. I dunno but I thought it was odd.
13 posted on 05/12/2004 11:50:03 AM PDT by Solson (Conservatives are concerned with the'end'; Liberals about the 'means' and the 'particulars.')
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To: cricket
There are many disconnects that don't quite fit right now. He was questioned by the FBI about his purpose in Iraq. With his father being part of ANSWER, perhaps Berg was considered questionable.

There are wierd holes in this thing.

14 posted on 05/12/2004 11:51:38 AM PDT by Solson (Conservatives are concerned with the'end'; Liberals about the 'means' and the 'particulars.')
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To: Blood of Tyrants
I think that he really and truly beleived that his politics would protect him because he empathized more with the militant, terrorist Iraqis than he did with the victims of 9/11..

What do you base that on? Every report that I've read says he was pro-Bush, pro-war and was in Iraq to help rebuild that country, which was a cause he believed in.

Now, his father on the other hand, is a rabid lefty.

15 posted on 05/12/2004 11:53:13 AM PDT by alnick (Mrs. Heinz-Kerry's husband wants teh-rayz-ah your taxes.)
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To: cake_crumb
"Berg apparently had an Iraqi in-law in the Mosul area, according to emails to his family." . . .WAIT A MINUTE! He, a Jew, married an Iraqi"

. . .not real clear on the 'in-law' here; in fact more than vague/strange; given that this is communicated by e-mail to his parents.

He found maybe. . .someone who was in 'some way' related to his family? Or. . .what?

16 posted on 05/12/2004 11:54:34 AM PDT by cricket (Liberals are a scourge . . .)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
You have hit the nail right on the head Blood of Tyrants!Liberalism is going to get 10 fold the number of Americans killed in 9/11, because the paranoid lib Dems are stuck in this idiotic theory that civl rights are being eroded by the war on terror!If you're not an islamic terrorist and you're not doing anything wrong then you have nothing to worry about!Liberals are absolutely insane,they worry more about islamic terrorists rights than they do for the average American citizen!They're going to get us all killed and Ted Kennedy is leading the way to the slaughter!
17 posted on 05/12/2004 11:57:12 AM PDT by LIB_CRUSHER (It is clear to me DEM'S have no G'NADS!No insult to beautiful conservative women intended!)
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To: cricket
That's what I mean. I don't intend to cast any dispersions on Nick Berg or what he was doing in Iraq. He seemed to be there for the right reasons.

But some of these instances are just really weird.

18 posted on 05/12/2004 12:00:38 PM PDT by Solson (Conservatives are concerned with the'end'; Liberals about the 'means' and the 'particulars.')
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To: Solson
That's quite possible. This is sure turning out to be a head-scratcher. I hope there will be more info forthcoming. I'd really like to know what the whole story is.
19 posted on 05/12/2004 12:01:58 PM PDT by abigailsmybaby (I yam what I yam and that's all that I yam.)
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To: alnick
"What do you base that on? Every report that I've read says he was pro-Bush, pro-war and was in Iraq to help rebuild that country, which was a cause he believed in. "

I have not yet read he was pro-war; pro-Bush; only that Berg was in Iraq to help rebuild (by way of getting contracts to do cable work); also that he was there because he/his company needed the business.

Don't know where the real humanitarian face is on this; but they are blended as such, in any event.

Would like to see those who have offered in media that he was pro-Bush/pro-war. . .

20 posted on 05/12/2004 12:01:59 PM PDT by cricket (Liberals are a scourge . . .)
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