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Why I Am Now Behind Arnold
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Posted on 08/12/2003 9:52:14 AM PDT by DrMartinVonNostrand

I have slowly come to the conclusion that California needs Arnold. Republicans need Arnold, and above all, California Republicans need Arnold.

I had been leaning towards McClintock, and I must admit, I made that decision before Arnold threw his hat into the ring. I welcomed the move when he did, but I still had reservations. I had gotten pretty excited over McClintock's vision, particularly his desire to void the Davis energy contracts and his general desire to stick it to the Democrats. I was also justifiably concerned at first about Arnold's talk of handing the treasury over to "the children".

But one has to be able to discern politics from policy. Everyone who wants to win elective office has to pay lipservice to "the children". It is the national passtime of politicians. I think when Arnold says "the children should have the first call of state Treasury" it is followed by an unspoken qualifier of "before illegal immigrants, welfare recipients, and special interests." He is simply putting forth his priorities, and they lay in stark contrast to Gray Davis and Cruz Bustamante's. He is quite savvy, so he isn't going to come out and say it in those words. He knows highlighting what is his priorities gets much better press than highlighting what isn't. He wants to reassure the soccer moms who have been frightened by Davis' threats of cutting funding to schools that he will be looking elsewhere to cut.

Arnold is very mindful of the hurdles he faces by running as a Republican in such a liberal state, so he will take extra measures to make traditional Democratic voters feel comfortable voting for him. It is what he has to do right now if he wants to win, and it seems to be working brilliantly.

Some conservatives will argue against Schwarzenegger because he opposed the impeachment of Bill Clinton. But Arnold understood the articles of impeachment that were brought were a pretty weak justification. Right or wrong, they were too easily construed as a right-wing lynching. He recognized it as too divisive and knew it could only further poison the political atmosphere and ultimately damage the Republican party.

Perhaps if Ken Starr had the convictions to pursue the serious matters of Whitewater, Chinagate, Filegate, or the murder of Vincent Foster, then Arnold would have seen it differently, just as the rest of America would have. But clearly Starr had no will to do so. It's hard to understand why, but perhaps he didn't want to expose that level of corruption in the highest office out of the long-term best interest of the American political system. Exposing Clinton's ties to the Dixieland mafia and Red China could have brought the entire government to its knees. It would have been a short-term victory for Republicans, but just as Nixon understood when he covered for Kennedy and Johnson over the Pentagon Papers, the long-term damage to the nation as a whole would have been far too great. Anyways, had Clinton actually been removed from office as a lame duck on those flimsy charges, we would have a President Gore in office right now. Arnold knew, just as everyone else did, that this was not going to happen considering it required a two-thirds majority in the Senate. Surely he understood that impeachment was a lose-lose proposition for Republicans so it was a mistake to go down that road. It was important for him to remain above it all for the sake of his own political future.

Some will argue that what we need right now is someone sort of financial wizard to fix the budget, and Arnold just doesn't qualify. But the truth is we really only need someone who can admit that Gray Davis has made some huge mistakes. Anyone but Gray Davis will do.

I hate to admit it, but the whole budget crisis is being about as overplayed for political reasons as the federal deficit in the '90s was (and is again). When it comes down to brass tacks, I think even the Democrats will bite the bullet and fix it. Yes, I know you're cringing, I am too, but it's the truth. The issue here isn't that the Democrats are incapable or even unwilling to fixing the budget. It's merely about how they want to fix it: the usual liberal approach of skyrocketing taxes. Either way, California isn't going to drop into the ocean or become a third world nation.

As far as Arnold not being a "social conservative", neither am I, and neither is California. A social conservative is not going to win a statewide election here for a long time to come. I fit in more along the lines of a fiscal conservative, just as Arnold is, and a "Constitutional conservative" with libertarian tendencies. Piety is not a prerequisite for my support, and too much of it may even lose it. I don't begrudge anyone their religious beliefs, but I do belive strongly in Jefferson's "wall of seperation between church and state". I also believe in strict interpritation of the First Ammendment, and that freedom of religion also entails freedom from religion. I realize those of you in the religious-right do not agree because this doesn't reinforce your personal religious beliefs, but not everything should be about our own personal whims and narrow agendas. Defending our own freedom as individuals must always be a higher objective. Otherwise it may be you they come for next. The Constitution protects everyone, or it protects no one. I think there are a lot of people on both extremes who forget that sometimes.

Even though some will say for these various reasons that Schwarzenegger is not the ideal conservative candidate, it is important for everyone to be pragmatic and pick their battles wisely. Right now we should be looking at long-term goals. An expedient victory in the recall of a conservative candidate by a 20 percent plurality is going to be counterproductive in the long-term. What are you going to do when Bill Simon is elected and the drive to recall him begins October 8th and qualifies three weeks later?

Electing Arnold, who can come to office with a true mandate and bring California together, will pay off big in the perception wars. Conservatives will never get their agenda anywhere in California as long as it is taboo to even vote for Republicans here. The longer Democrats have a complete lock on the state, the further left we will drift. Even if Arnold can't change the course right away, he can at least slow the momentum.

Personally, my goal is the destruction of the Democratic party and the liberal agenda far more than it is advancing any conservative single-issue. I have far more hate for left-wing Democrats than I have love for right-wing Republicans. I would be happy simply with a return to sanity at this point.

You can't walk a mile until you take the first step. For right now we all need to be concentrating on the jouney one step at a time or we will never reach the final destination. You have to at least open the door, which is now closed and locked here. It seems like a lot of right-wingers around here would rather rant and rave and pound on the door in futility than grab it by the handle.

I think I've finally figured that one out. For the death-before-electibility crowd, it's not about advancing their cause on earth, it's about earning a place in heaven.

As for the rest of us, we have to make a decision: do we want a small victory, or a huge defeat?


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KEYWORDS: 1eternalvignotincali; california; davis; election; governor; guessmyotherid; imatroll; mcclintock; recall; schwarzenegger; schwarzenutter
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To: joanofarc
Pro choice can be read as: "pro life".

This has passed from the ridiculous into the sublime...

401 posted on 08/12/2003 8:34:34 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
I don't think so. It makes perfect sense to me. There is another choice besides abortion. That is what makes it a "choice". If pro-life wasn't half of "pro-choice" then it wouldn't be "pro-choice" at all.
402 posted on 08/12/2003 8:37:11 PM PDT by DrMartinVonNostrand
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To: DrMartinVonNostrand
It makes perfect sense to me.

Of course it does.

403 posted on 08/12/2003 8:39:30 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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Just as "pro-life" includes "pro-choice" as well.

Pro-lifers just believe the choice should be made BEFORE pregnancy.

404 posted on 08/12/2003 8:41:58 PM PDT by DrMartinVonNostrand
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To: F16Fighter
Why not coronate yourself 'High Priest of Self-Righteousness'? And BTW -- Which positions should define "REAL" Republicans in your opinion? Pro-Choice? Pro-Gay marriage and special rights? Pro-Social programs? Pro-Gun Control?

Ummmm... I'm the one saying that our party includes voters with MANY degrees of conservative ideals, not just my own narrow political preferences. And my opinion about defining "REAL" Republicans matters not... the Republican Party already does a terrific job of defining those positions for public review. You may wish to take a look, there are several lists that detail the Party positions on hundreds of issues.

http://www.gop.org/gopinfo/platform

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The Republican Party Oath summarizes the platform simply and well, however, so I'll post it here for your enjoyment. While the oath doesn't mention guns, abortion, homosexuals, etc, it does specifically embrace "varying points of view".

The Republican Oath

I believe that the proper function of government is to do for the people those things that have to be done but cannot be done, or cannot be done as well by individuals, and that the most effective government is government closest to the people.

I believe that good government is based on the individual and that each person's ability, dignity, freedom and responsibility must be honored and recognized.

I believe that free enterprise and the encouragement of individual initiative and incentive have given this nation an economic system second to none.

I believe that sound money policy should be our goal.

I believe in equal rights, equal justice and equal opportunity for all, regardless of race, creed, age, sex or national origin. I believe that persons with disabilities should be afforded equal rights, equal justice and equal opportunity as well.

I believe we must retain those principles worth retaining, yet always be receptive to new ideas with an outlook broad enough to accommodate thoughtful change and varying points of view.

I believe that Americans value and should preserve their feeling of national strength and pride, and at the same time share with people everywhere a desire for peace and freedom and the extension of human rights throughout the world.

Finally, I believe that the Republican Party is the best vehicle for translating these ideals into positive and successful principles of government.

405 posted on 08/12/2003 8:42:10 PM PDT by Tamzee (I was a vegetarian until I started leaning toward the sunlight...... Rita Rudner)
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To: DrMartinVonNostrand
Your rhetorical gymnastics in defense of the indefensible are quite impressive.
406 posted on 08/12/2003 8:43:08 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
Wait, don't tell me...

This is where EternalVigilance says he's against choice even then.
407 posted on 08/12/2003 8:43:31 PM PDT by DrMartinVonNostrand
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To: DrMartinVonNostrand
You are doing nothing but trying to run away from the fact that you are supporting a candidate who supports abortion.

Run, run, run---but it won't change your responsibility for that.
408 posted on 08/12/2003 8:46:28 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
Your rhetorical gymnastics in defense of the indefensible are quite impressive

What's odd about your assessment is that I haven't given a position on abortion.

409 posted on 08/12/2003 8:47:37 PM PDT by DrMartinVonNostrand
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To: DrMartinVonNostrand
Ever held a tiny, helpless, defenseless little child in your arms, Doc?
410 posted on 08/12/2003 8:48:08 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: DrMartinVonNostrand
Doesn't matter what your stated positional claim is. We have a representational form of government. You are supporting someone to represent you who supports the killing of 40 million plus little, defenseless, helpless little children--children who are, or would have been, your fellow Americans.
411 posted on 08/12/2003 8:50:08 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
I'm sorry. It is possible you aren't being disingenuous, and are simply very naive. I don't know you enough to know which it might be.

Sigh.... more insults. You keep proving my own point for me :-)

412 posted on 08/12/2003 8:53:13 PM PDT by Tamzee (I was a vegetarian until I started leaning toward the sunlight...... Rita Rudner)
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To: Tamsey
I believe in equal rights...

Is that before or after they have passed through the birth canal?

Is that passage what makes a human human?

413 posted on 08/12/2003 8:53:52 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Tamsey
No, you don't know the difference between insults and the hard truth.

Some people respond to soft words. Some people need a verbal 2x4 up side their head before they will listen.
414 posted on 08/12/2003 8:55:03 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Sabertooth
Some folks have at once so much to say, while having so little to say. And there you have it.
415 posted on 08/12/2003 8:56:06 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
I'm for McClintock. Ideal scenario would be Simon and Arnold drop out and endorse Tom. As that is not going to happen I will probably vote for Arnold as I feel it is better to have a half Repub than none at all.
416 posted on 08/12/2003 8:58:53 PM PDT by 2rightsleftcoast
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To: EternalVigilance
No, you don't know the difference between insults and the hard truth. Some people respond to soft words. Some people need a verbal 2x4 up side their head before they will listen.

And your post proves MY argument... you believe that only YOU have the lock on the "hard truth" and the rest of us won't "listen".

417 posted on 08/12/2003 9:01:42 PM PDT by Tamzee (I was a vegetarian until I started leaning toward the sunlight...... Rita Rudner)
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To: Tamsey
Is it true that when an abortion is performed, a little child dies, or not?

418 posted on 08/12/2003 9:03:48 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
You are doing nothing but trying to run away from the fact that you are supporting a candidate who supports abortion. Run, run, run---but it won't change your responsibility for that.

I have no apprehension about supporting pro-choice candidates.

According to the Supreme Court and reinforced in case law over the past 30 years, abortion is a CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED RIGHT.

Let that sink in for a minute. It's time to get over it, because it's not going to change.

Personally I think it is bad law, not so much because of the "killing babies" argument, but because the Court greviously misinterprited the Constitution in order to arrive at this conclusion, the decision is so broadly tailored that it is in danger of sparking a Constitutional crisis, and the remedy itself is over-reaching.

419 posted on 08/12/2003 9:04:08 PM PDT by DrMartinVonNostrand
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To: EternalVigilance
McClintock is a great guy;his views are close to mine so I like him, but he can not get elected. Have you seen the new polls? He's down around 6%. I fail to see how anyone's principles are affirmed by losing and allowing a Dem to be governor. "Pure" conservatives were enraged when Bush 1 raised taxes. They either stayed home or voted for Perot. Thus giving Clinton the election with less than 50% of the vote. Principles were cold comfort as I watched Clinton trash the presidency and bring disgrace to our nation.
420 posted on 08/12/2003 9:04:11 PM PDT by nyconse
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