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Marijuana possession: 15 grams, $100 fine
The Ottawa Citizen (Canada) ^ | May 13, 2003 | Janice Tibbetts

Posted on 05/13/2003 10:10:14 AM PDT by MrLeRoy

The federal government is considering fining small-time marijuana users as little as $100 under decriminalization legislation that is expected to be introduced Thursday.

Sources say the amount, equivalent to a low-level speeding ticket, was still under discussion yesterday as Justice Department officials scrambled to put the finishing touches on their bill. The fine would be handed to people caught with less than 15 grams of marijuana.

People caught with more than 15 grams would still be subject to a criminal record that carries a maximum penalty of six months in jail and a $1,000 fine.

Small-time users would be governed by the non-criminal Contraventions Act, a little-used act that controls such things as driving on federal wharves and abandoning vessels in a public harbour.

The anticipated penalty for marijuana possession would fall short of the current maximum fine under the act of $500.

The amount of marijuana to be decriminalized is only half the amount recommended by a special House of Commons committee on illicit drugs.

The Commons committee had proposed criminal sanctions be lifted for less than 30 grams. The Justice Department had indicated it would accept the recommendation, but suddenly retreated in recent weeks.

A particular concern is the growing prevalence of B.C. bud, a potent strain of marijuana that put Canada for the first time this year on a White House list of countries of concern in the war on drugs.

The United States has been pressing Canada to abandon its decriminalization plan, warning that it would lead to delays at the border.

The watered-down bill will include stiffer penalties for drug traffickers and people caught with marijuana grow operations.

To underline the point, Justice Minister Martin Cauchon will present his plan to U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft today.

Mr. Cauchon is expected to stress that marijuana will remain illegal and Canada will toughen penalties substantially for marijuana-growing operations. He already described the plan briefly to Mr. Ashcroft last week at a Paris meeting of justice ministers of the Group of Eight leading industrialized nations, but today's meeting will give a fuller explanation. The legislation will be accompanied by a renewed national drug strategy, that will put millions of dollars into drug prevention, education, and treatment.

Mr. Cauchon said in the Commons yesterday the government has no intention of legalizing marijuana.

Solicitor General Wayne Easter said the message Canada is trying to send to Americans -- and Canadians -- is drugs are dangerous and people caught with anything but small amounts of marijuana will be treated harshly.

"There is some work to be done here, no doubt about that, but we will be coming out with a package that we believe the Americans will certainly understand where we're at as well as Canadians," Mr. Easter said yesterday.

"I think the key is there is certainly a lot of concern about marijuana grow operations, about people trafficking, about people being penalized with small amounts and having a criminal record that affects them for so much of their lives."

Randy White, a Canadian Alliance MP and vocal critic of the federal drug policy, opposes decriminalization.

He said he believes the government's plan will fail because judges will be reluctant to hand criminal records to people caught with 16 grams and minor fines to those possessing 14 grams.

Mr. White said the government's fines should increase with the offence, so that people caught for the second and third times would be given heftier tickets than first-time offenders.


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1 posted on 05/13/2003 10:10:15 AM PDT by MrLeRoy
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2 posted on 05/13/2003 10:10:33 AM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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To: MrLeRoy
I thought it'd been reported that the planned decriminalization initiative had been scuttled by drug czar John Walters' tireless efforts..

Not that I'm complaining if it's still on track...
3 posted on 05/13/2003 10:19:08 AM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: MrLeRoy
To underline the point, Justice Minister Martin Cauchon will present his plan to U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft today.

Is Canada, now under U.S. control, or laws,
Who gives a darn, what Ashcroft says about Canada's laws.....
4 posted on 05/13/2003 10:19:48 AM PDT by vin-one (I wish i had something clever to put in this tag)
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To: MrLeRoy
I know I feel safer now.
5 posted on 05/13/2003 10:20:22 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: Wolfie; vin-one; WindMinstrel; philman_36; Beach_Babe; jenny65; AUgrad; Xenalyte; Bill D. Berger; ..
WOD Ping
6 posted on 05/13/2003 10:22:58 AM PDT by jmc813 (The average citizen in Baghdad,right now, has more firearm rights than anyone in our country.)
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To: AntiGuv
I thought it'd been reported that the planned decriminalization initiative had been scuttled by drug czar John Walters' tireless efforts..

There have been conflicting reports---this is the latest. (I suppose nothing's guaranteed until the government actually announces its plan.)

7 posted on 05/13/2003 10:29:36 AM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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To: AppyPappy
I know I feel safer now.

You certainly shouldn't feel any less safe.

8 posted on 05/13/2003 10:30:09 AM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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To: MrLeRoy
Execution by firing squad for possession of ANY amount would really increase our chances of winning the drug war.
9 posted on 05/13/2003 10:30:59 AM PDT by Luke
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To: Luke
Execution by firing squad for possession of ANY amount would really increase our chances of winning the drug war.

Execution by firing squad for littering would really increase our chances of eliminating littering---but in this country we have funny ideas about punishment being proportionate to the offense.

10 posted on 05/13/2003 10:32:44 AM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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To: Luke
I suspect that would really increase the chances of NORML activists getting elected to public office.
11 posted on 05/13/2003 10:34:39 AM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: Luke
Let's kill everybody, and let God sort 'em out.
14 posted on 05/13/2003 10:43:16 AM PDT by tacticalogic (Controlled application of force is the sincerest form of communication.)
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To: MrLeRoy
Fine with me, if they add on a mandantory 24 hours of detox classes to go with the fines.
15 posted on 05/13/2003 10:43:41 AM PDT by American in Israel (Right beats wrong)
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This whole thread reminds me of the crack house on CSI last night.
16 posted on 05/13/2003 10:46:58 AM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrissssstian)
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To: Luke
Yo, Cool Hand...tell me you're joking!
17 posted on 05/13/2003 10:48:32 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: American in Israel
Fine with me, if they add on a mandantory 24 hours of detox classes to go with the fines.

What's a "detox class" and why does every pot smoker need one?

18 posted on 05/13/2003 10:50:19 AM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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To: MrLeRoy
...but in this country we have funny ideas about punishment being proportionate to the offense.

Yes, I know. A murder offense (no priors) of 20 years can be reduced to 3 years with good behavior. The punishment for breaking laws is too lenient.

19 posted on 05/13/2003 10:52:20 AM PDT by Luke
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To: MrLeRoy
What's a "detox class" and why does every pot smoker need one?

For that matter, how do you "detox" from something that isn't a toxin?

20 posted on 05/13/2003 10:52:26 AM PDT by tacticalogic (Controlled application of force is the sincerest form of communication.)
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