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Refuting Darwinism, point by point
WorldNetDaily,com ^ | 1-11-03 | Interview of James Perloff

Posted on 01/11/2003 9:53:34 PM PST by DWar

EVOLUTION WATCH Refuting Darwinism, point by point Author's new book presents case against theory in just 83 pages

Posted: January 11, 2003 1:00 a.m. Eastern

Editor's note: In 1999, author James Perloff wrote the popular "Tornado in a Junkyard," which summarizes much of the evidence against evolution and is considered one of the most understandable (while still scientifically accurate) books on the subject. Recently, WND talked with Perloff about his new book, "The Case Against Darwin."

© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

QUESTION: Your new book is just 83 pages – and the type is large. What gives?

ANSWER: This past March I got a call from Ohio. There has been a battle there to allow critical examination of evolutionary theory in public schools, and a gentleman wanted 40 copies of Tornado to give to state legislators and school board members. I was delighted to send him the books, but I also knew that a state legislator isn't likely to pick up anything that's 321 pages long.

Q: And not just state legislators.

A: Right. We live in an age when parents often don't have time to read anything long, and their kids, who are usually more into video, may not have the inclination.

Q: So what's the focus of this book?

A: I've divided it into three chapters. The first is called "Is Darwin's Theory Relevant to Our Lives?" In other words, is the subject of this book worth my time or not? A lot of people think this is simply a science issue. And to some of them, science is booooring. But actually, it's the teaching of Darwin's theory as a "fact" that starts many young people doubting the existence of God. Once we stop believing in God, we discard his moral laws and start making up our own rules, which is basically why our society is in so much trouble. In short, Darwinism is very relevant – it's much more than a science matter.

Q: You, yourself, were an atheist for many years, were you not, as a result of evolutionary teaching?

A: That's right. I thought evolution had discredited the Bible. In my books, I give examples of notables who became atheists from being taught evolution, such as Stalin and Carnegie. In fact, the atheist Boy Scout who's been in the news reportedly attributes his atheism to being taught evolution.

Q: Why do you think evolution has such a persuasively negative effect on faith?

A: First, it's taught as "scientific fact." When kids hear "scientific fact," they think "truth." Who wants to go against truth? Second, it's the only viewpoint that's taught. After the Supreme Court kicked God out of schools in the '60s, kids heard the evolutionist viewpoint exclusively. It's like going to a courtroom – if you only heard the prosecutor's summation, you would probably think the defendant guilty. But if you only heard the defendant's attorney, you'd think "innocent." The truth is, we need to hear both sides, and kids haven't been getting it on the subject of origins.

Q: OK, then what?

A: The second chapter is "Evidence Against the Theory of Evolution." Let's face it, no matter what Darwinism's social ramifications, that alone would not be a sufficient basis to criticize it, if it were scientifically proven true.

Q: In a nutshell – if that's possible – what is the scientific evidence against Darwinism?

A: In the book, I focus on six areas of evidence. First, mutations – long claimed by evolutionists to be the building blocks of evolutionary change – are now known to remove information from the genetic code. They never create higher, more complex information – even in the rare cases of beneficial mutations, such as bacterial resistance to antibiotics. That has been laid out by Dr. Lee Spetner in his book "Not By Chance."

Q: What else?

A: Second, cells are now known to be far too complex to have originated by some chance concurrence of chemicals, as Darwin hypothesized and is still being claimed. We detail that in the book. Third, the human body has systems, such as blood clotting and the immune system, that are, in the words of biochemist Michael Behe, "irreducibly complex," meaning they cannot have evolved step-by-step. Behe articulated that in his book "Darwin's Black Box." And then there is the whole issue of transitional forms.

Q: What is a transitional form?

A: Darwin's theory envisioned that single-celled ancestors evolved into invertebrates (creatures without a backbone), who evolved into fish, who evolved into amphibians, who evolved into reptiles, who evolved into mammals. Now, a transitional form would be a creature intermediate between these. There would have to be a great many for Darwin's theory to be true.

Q: Are there?

A: There are three places to look for transitional forms. First, there's the living world around us. We see that it is distinctly divided – you have invertebrates, fish, amphibians, reptiles and mammals. But we don't see transitionals between them. If these creatures ever existed, why did none survive? It is too easy to explain it away by saying they all became extinct. And of course, there is the question: Why aren't these creatures evolving into each other today? Why aren't invertebrates evolving into fish today? Why aren't fish growing little legs and so forth?

Q: Where else would you look for a transitional form?

A: In the fossil record. And here we have a problem of almost comparable magnitude. We find no fossils showing how the invertebrates evolved, or demonstrating that they came from a common ancestor. That's why you hear of the "Cambrian explosion." And while there are billions of fossils of both invertebrates and fish, fossils linking them are missing. Of course, there are some transitional fossils cited by evolutionists. However, two points about that. First, there should be a lot more if Darwin's theory is correct. Second, 99 percent of the biology of an organism is in its soft anatomy, which you cannot access in a fossil – this makes it easy to invest a fossil with a highly subjective opinion. The Piltdown Man and the recent Archaeoraptor are examples of how easy it is to be misled by preconceptions in this arena.

Q: What is the other place where you can look for transitional forms?

A: Microscopically, in the cell itself. Dr. Michael Denton, the Australian molecular biologist, examined these creatures on a molecular level and found no evidence whatsoever for the fish-amphibian-reptile-mammal sequence. He summarized his findings in his book "Evolution: A Theory in Crisis."

The last chapter is "Re-evaluating Some Evidences Used to Support the Theory" of evolution. That would include evidences that have been discredited, and also some evidences presented as proof that in fact rest on assumptions.

Q: What evidences have been discredited?

A: Ernst Haeckel's comparative embryo drawings. The human body being laden with "vestigial structures" from our animal past. Human blood and sea water having the same percentage of salt. Babies being born with "monkey tails." These are not foundational evidences, but they still hold sway in the public mind.

Q: You mentioned assumptions as proofs.

A: Yes. Anatomical similarities between men and animals are said to prove common ancestry. But intelligent design also results in innumerable similarities, as in the case of two makes of automobile. Also, what has been called "microevolution" – minor adaptive changes within a type of animal – is extrapolated as evidence for "macroevolution" – the changing of one kind of animal into another. However, a species is normally endowed with a rich gene pool that permits a certain amount of variation and adaptation. Certainly, those things happen. But the change is ordinarily limited to the confines of the gene pool. It doesn't mean a fish could adapt its way into being a human.

Q: You covered a lot of this ground in "Tornado in a Junkyard." Can readers expect something new from "The Case Against Darwin"?

A: There is a bit of new material, but no, if you've read "Tornado," or for that matter, if you read the July 2001 Whistleblower, where we looked at evolution, you already know most of the points. What's new is the size. This is a book to give to a busy friend, a book for a high-school student to share with his science teacher.

"The Case Against Darwin" by James Perloff is available from ShopNetDaily.


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To: Aric2000
he's not going to spell it out, he's trying to change the subject. Just like he did when he called us immoral etc etc ad nauseum.

Oh, well, you were right.

1,061 posted on 01/24/2003 1:16:01 PM PST by balrog666 (If you tell the truth you don't have to remember anything - Mark Twain)
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To: All
To those who say that there are no "intermediate structures" :

James Carville is the missing link.

Consider yourselves to be refuted.
1,062 posted on 01/24/2003 3:25:07 PM PST by Voice in your head (No, I am not the Great Satan. But I often act on his behalf.)
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To: PatrickHenry
Placemarker.
1,063 posted on 01/24/2003 6:39:58 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Preserve the purity of your precious bodily fluids!)
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To: Aric2000
I would like to clear up a few ideas regarding the Christian life that seem to be confusing. This relates to this thread because we believe that Darwin's theory was the final straw that enabled intelligent people to "logically" reject the concept of God.



1.) When we KNOW that we are imperfect, and understand this imperfection causes us to be spiritually dead and unable to have a relationship (communicate) with God, but are willing to put the entire weight of our trust in Jesus, we become spiritually alive. (Born Again)
2.) By putting the entire weight of our trust in Jesus, His perfection is attributed to us, which enables us to have an intimate relationship with God. (Forgiven)
3.) Jesus spiritually "cloaks" us with His perfection so that when God spiritually looks at us he sees perfection, therefore acceptability. But he does not remove our non-spiritual imperfection yet. Therefore we have the capacity to continue failing in this world. (Christians still sin)
4.) Forgiveness does not exclude a Christian from the consequences of their failures, even though God only spiritually sees Christ's perfection "cloaking" us. (Still forgiven, but if we steal and are caught we still go to jail)
5.) God created us with free will, which he will not violate. (force a person to believe He is God) Each and every individual needs to use their own free will to choose to align themselves with God. (Those who become less and less aligned with God perpetrate Evil in this world)

Many people have been transformed by their realization of God's love towards them.

Drug addicts no longer addicted.

Greedy people becoming generous.

Selfish people becoming unselfish.

Murderers becoming disgusted with what they did, then showing pure love towards others.

Uncommitted type people becoming committed type people.

Men who only thought they loved their children, becoming men who really love their children.

Wives who disrespect their husbands becoming wives who truly respect their husbands. (This one usually changes the husband as much as the wife)

Husbands who are unloving to their wives becoming husbands who cherish their wives. (This one usually changes the wife as much as the husband)


Bitter, angry, resentful people becoming sweet, gentle, forgiving people.

None of these people are perfect, but they consistently exhibit these new characteristics in their lives.

These people have experienced a spiritual transformation. Unexplainable by science (psychology, genetics, natural maturing, lottery winning etc...) These changes are real because we are spiritual beings in need of a relationship with God. Science has no explanation for the radical transformations that Christ has done in billions of lives for thousands of years. That is a lot of observable evidence!!

Only Jesus can turn your spiritual light on. The void in your life will become full only by Gods love and friendship. Stop looking for this through your physical eyes; which cannot see the truth.
1,064 posted on 01/25/2003 9:55:23 AM PST by bondserv
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To: bondserv
bondserv,

as I said before, if christianity gives you solice, "turns your spiritual light on" more power to you.

If being "born again" is what gives you a moral foundation, WONDERFUL, more power to you.

But Christianity is not for me, sorry, it's great for you, but it does not contain my answer.

As a matter of fact, it never asks the question.

Enjoy your christianity, but please, no more sermons to me, they are heard, but they don't mean anything.

Thanks anyway, but I do not need "saving".
1,065 posted on 01/25/2003 3:30:20 PM PST by Aric2000 (Can't fight the message, discredit or kill the messenger, I see this ID tactic a lot!!)
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To: Aric2000
I seem to have misunderstood your post, but again, evolution as a theory is not evil.

Believe it or not, you CAN believe in the scientific theory of evolution and believe in creationism as well, take Alamo-girl as an excellent expample. Actually I make an excellent example as well, but I will not, and cannot claim that my personal beliefs are at all scientific. and of course, neither does she, that's why I respect her.

My beliefs CANNOT be proven scientifically, therefore I will not try to force people to believe that they are somehow scientific, because they're not.

Evolution as a theory is harmless, it is what people do with it, not the theory itself.

To come up with a hybrid of creationism and evolution, this of course is ID and try to call it scientific, is not only silly but desperate.

My advice to creationists is to ignore evolution, teach your moral foundation instead, and if it is as strong as you claim it is, then we shouldn't have a problem.
1,066 posted on 01/25/2003 3:41:33 PM PST by Aric2000 (Can't fight the message, discredit or kill the messenger, I see this ID tactic a lot!!)
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To: PatrickHenry
Dead thread placemarker.
1,067 posted on 01/25/2003 6:19:32 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Creationists agree that PH is a really great guy!)
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To: Dataman
My response: Think again. Reality and refusal to belive are not equivocated.

I don't have to think again, I was correct the first time. This is why I don't bother with this anymore. If you refuse to see the fallacy, I can't help you.

There is, despite your denial, evidence for the existence of another realm.

That was the question. Provide one wet iota of evidence. anything, anywhere, that can be verified (truthed) by an objective observer. There is none or we would all agree, like we agree there is gravity.

You'd have to know what an ad hominem was before you could say it was ugly. Your particular fallacy is called ignoratic elenchi which, I'm sure, you'll have to look up.

You don't even begin to fathom what I know, bra. I look up over 100 items a day, I'm not too proud to research what I don't know. I committed no fallacy and yours was an ugly attack.

you state that nothing can exist outside the universe because you have defined it so (thus giving an excellent example of petitio principii).

I said that, BY DEFINITION, nothing can exist outside the universe, not my definition; common, everyday, dictionary, scientific definition. Typical disingenuious arguments.

So let's get this straight (your screen name implies you know logic): You say "by definition" nothing exists outside the universe, supporting your claim via fallacy.

Burden of Proof. Prove something exists outside what we can prove exists.(reality - universe [now i sound like fchristian!])

I say that your kind refuse to consider arguments contrary to your reality.

There is no 'my reality' or 'your reality' there is only 'reality' and those that accept it as it is, or not. There is no 'my kind.' I am of a kind you have never met before and it is only your arrogance that presumes that you already know what 'kind' i am.

1,068 posted on 01/25/2003 9:20:33 PM PST by LogicWings
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To: Dataman
Another example of petitio principii. The conclusion is included in the first term.

At this point I doubt your understanding of logic. What I did was restate your sloppy syllogism in a form that proved that the premises were invalid. You cannot prove the second premise because it is not possible to prove, BY DEFINITION, that something exists that, BY DEFINITION, is beyond your ability to experience and THEREFORE, verify.

For a guy who habitually claims ad hominem! there sure were a lot of personal digs in your last post.

I am always very careful to only analyze the content of arguments and only criticize those when debating on such forums. I invariably find that weak egos mistake these analyses as person attacks since they are so emotionally invested in their views. When I am then personally attacked the gloves come off and I cease to restrain myself. You have been warned. Confine yourself to analysis of content and you will be fine. Attack me and the game is over. I have said nothing about you personally. Go back and look. If you can't handle an analysis of your words, don't post.

1,069 posted on 01/25/2003 9:34:42 PM PST by LogicWings
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To: LogicWings
If you can't handle an analysis of your words, don't post.

Permit me to expand upon your wise precept:
If you can't handle -- or comprehend -- an analysis of your words, don't post.

1,070 posted on 01/26/2003 3:42:59 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Creationists agree that PH is a really great guy!)
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To: LogicWings
I said that, BY DEFINITION, nothing can exist outside the universe

Why do you bother? Do you really think there is any reasoning with someone who believes there is an existence outside existence, a universe outside the universe, a something outside of everything, an X outside of X?

At some point you have to realize the mind you are dealing with is hopelessly broken, and just move on.

1,071 posted on 01/26/2003 10:17:58 AM PST by beavus
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To: beavus
Evolution is just an aberrant theory of creation science . . .

sortov of a woigjee divining board // starting kit for kiddees - - -

amateurs // beginners ! ! !

Show and tell // anemic // veal science ! ! !

1,072 posted on 01/26/2003 12:13:18 PM PST by f.Christian (Orcs of the world: Take note and beware.)
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To: beavus
Healthy normal people and children from good homes and families have an immunity to this nonsense // disease but there seems to be a permanent growing underclass dependent on the govt and their overlords who are feeding on this diet // formula and living and preying on the rest of us!
1,073 posted on 01/26/2003 12:16:27 PM PST by f.Christian (Orcs of the world: Take note and beware.)
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To: f.Christian
Sigh.
1,074 posted on 01/26/2003 12:19:17 PM PST by beavus
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To: beavus
The liberal statist school ALL day // night // year // life - - - breakfast school plan!


The infantile BABY material belief // 'mind set' of the the evolution theory cargo cult formula V 'science' DIET . . .

puffed // rolled science...

(( "where's the milk // fruit" ))

dry powderded science // cereal - - - gi pablum surplus science !

"V rations"---Only // Total // flakes - - -

1,075 posted on 01/26/2003 12:21:20 PM PST by f.Christian (Orcs of the world: Take note and beware.)
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To: f.Christian
I think you're dancing on this dead thread all by yourself.
1,076 posted on 01/26/2003 1:32:20 PM PST by balrog666 (If you tell the truth you don't have to remember anything - Mark Twain)
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To: balrog666
yeah . . . evolution is a dead branch of science - - - artificial fruit // flowers // candy ! ! !
1,077 posted on 01/26/2003 1:47:39 PM PST by f.Christian (Orcs of the world: Take note and beware.)
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To: bondserv
"This relates to this thread because we believe that Darwin's theory was the final straw that enabled intelligent people to 'logically' reject the concept of God."

Could you explain this? To test your statement, I tried to create an argument that would enable intelligent people to "logically" reject the concept of God. Below are a couple of my unsuccessful attempts:
The genetic makeup of a population changes over time, therefore there is no God?
Random mutations may sometimes result in greater fitness, therefore there is no God?
1,078 posted on 01/26/2003 5:04:23 PM PST by Voice in your head (Nuke Iraq)
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To: Voice in your head
It's nothing more profound than the simple idea that simple people look for simple explanations that fit their simple predispositions. The idiotic responses of "simple" people, like Phaedrus and Kevin Curry, who refuse to participate in any real discussions but show up occasionally to metaphorically p!ss on the thread from time to time just reinforces their desparation.
1,079 posted on 01/26/2003 6:18:41 PM PST by balrog666 (If you tell the truth you don't have to remember anything - Mark Twain)
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To: Voice in your head
Could you explain this?

No, he can't, considering how long atheism has been around. History of atheism.

1,080 posted on 01/26/2003 6:20:10 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Creationists agree that PH is a really great guy!)
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