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Refuting Darwinism, point by point
WorldNetDaily,com ^ | 1-11-03 | Interview of James Perloff

Posted on 01/11/2003 9:53:34 PM PST by DWar

EVOLUTION WATCH Refuting Darwinism, point by point Author's new book presents case against theory in just 83 pages

Posted: January 11, 2003 1:00 a.m. Eastern

Editor's note: In 1999, author James Perloff wrote the popular "Tornado in a Junkyard," which summarizes much of the evidence against evolution and is considered one of the most understandable (while still scientifically accurate) books on the subject. Recently, WND talked with Perloff about his new book, "The Case Against Darwin."

© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

QUESTION: Your new book is just 83 pages – and the type is large. What gives?

ANSWER: This past March I got a call from Ohio. There has been a battle there to allow critical examination of evolutionary theory in public schools, and a gentleman wanted 40 copies of Tornado to give to state legislators and school board members. I was delighted to send him the books, but I also knew that a state legislator isn't likely to pick up anything that's 321 pages long.

Q: And not just state legislators.

A: Right. We live in an age when parents often don't have time to read anything long, and their kids, who are usually more into video, may not have the inclination.

Q: So what's the focus of this book?

A: I've divided it into three chapters. The first is called "Is Darwin's Theory Relevant to Our Lives?" In other words, is the subject of this book worth my time or not? A lot of people think this is simply a science issue. And to some of them, science is booooring. But actually, it's the teaching of Darwin's theory as a "fact" that starts many young people doubting the existence of God. Once we stop believing in God, we discard his moral laws and start making up our own rules, which is basically why our society is in so much trouble. In short, Darwinism is very relevant – it's much more than a science matter.

Q: You, yourself, were an atheist for many years, were you not, as a result of evolutionary teaching?

A: That's right. I thought evolution had discredited the Bible. In my books, I give examples of notables who became atheists from being taught evolution, such as Stalin and Carnegie. In fact, the atheist Boy Scout who's been in the news reportedly attributes his atheism to being taught evolution.

Q: Why do you think evolution has such a persuasively negative effect on faith?

A: First, it's taught as "scientific fact." When kids hear "scientific fact," they think "truth." Who wants to go against truth? Second, it's the only viewpoint that's taught. After the Supreme Court kicked God out of schools in the '60s, kids heard the evolutionist viewpoint exclusively. It's like going to a courtroom – if you only heard the prosecutor's summation, you would probably think the defendant guilty. But if you only heard the defendant's attorney, you'd think "innocent." The truth is, we need to hear both sides, and kids haven't been getting it on the subject of origins.

Q: OK, then what?

A: The second chapter is "Evidence Against the Theory of Evolution." Let's face it, no matter what Darwinism's social ramifications, that alone would not be a sufficient basis to criticize it, if it were scientifically proven true.

Q: In a nutshell – if that's possible – what is the scientific evidence against Darwinism?

A: In the book, I focus on six areas of evidence. First, mutations – long claimed by evolutionists to be the building blocks of evolutionary change – are now known to remove information from the genetic code. They never create higher, more complex information – even in the rare cases of beneficial mutations, such as bacterial resistance to antibiotics. That has been laid out by Dr. Lee Spetner in his book "Not By Chance."

Q: What else?

A: Second, cells are now known to be far too complex to have originated by some chance concurrence of chemicals, as Darwin hypothesized and is still being claimed. We detail that in the book. Third, the human body has systems, such as blood clotting and the immune system, that are, in the words of biochemist Michael Behe, "irreducibly complex," meaning they cannot have evolved step-by-step. Behe articulated that in his book "Darwin's Black Box." And then there is the whole issue of transitional forms.

Q: What is a transitional form?

A: Darwin's theory envisioned that single-celled ancestors evolved into invertebrates (creatures without a backbone), who evolved into fish, who evolved into amphibians, who evolved into reptiles, who evolved into mammals. Now, a transitional form would be a creature intermediate between these. There would have to be a great many for Darwin's theory to be true.

Q: Are there?

A: There are three places to look for transitional forms. First, there's the living world around us. We see that it is distinctly divided – you have invertebrates, fish, amphibians, reptiles and mammals. But we don't see transitionals between them. If these creatures ever existed, why did none survive? It is too easy to explain it away by saying they all became extinct. And of course, there is the question: Why aren't these creatures evolving into each other today? Why aren't invertebrates evolving into fish today? Why aren't fish growing little legs and so forth?

Q: Where else would you look for a transitional form?

A: In the fossil record. And here we have a problem of almost comparable magnitude. We find no fossils showing how the invertebrates evolved, or demonstrating that they came from a common ancestor. That's why you hear of the "Cambrian explosion." And while there are billions of fossils of both invertebrates and fish, fossils linking them are missing. Of course, there are some transitional fossils cited by evolutionists. However, two points about that. First, there should be a lot more if Darwin's theory is correct. Second, 99 percent of the biology of an organism is in its soft anatomy, which you cannot access in a fossil – this makes it easy to invest a fossil with a highly subjective opinion. The Piltdown Man and the recent Archaeoraptor are examples of how easy it is to be misled by preconceptions in this arena.

Q: What is the other place where you can look for transitional forms?

A: Microscopically, in the cell itself. Dr. Michael Denton, the Australian molecular biologist, examined these creatures on a molecular level and found no evidence whatsoever for the fish-amphibian-reptile-mammal sequence. He summarized his findings in his book "Evolution: A Theory in Crisis."

The last chapter is "Re-evaluating Some Evidences Used to Support the Theory" of evolution. That would include evidences that have been discredited, and also some evidences presented as proof that in fact rest on assumptions.

Q: What evidences have been discredited?

A: Ernst Haeckel's comparative embryo drawings. The human body being laden with "vestigial structures" from our animal past. Human blood and sea water having the same percentage of salt. Babies being born with "monkey tails." These are not foundational evidences, but they still hold sway in the public mind.

Q: You mentioned assumptions as proofs.

A: Yes. Anatomical similarities between men and animals are said to prove common ancestry. But intelligent design also results in innumerable similarities, as in the case of two makes of automobile. Also, what has been called "microevolution" – minor adaptive changes within a type of animal – is extrapolated as evidence for "macroevolution" – the changing of one kind of animal into another. However, a species is normally endowed with a rich gene pool that permits a certain amount of variation and adaptation. Certainly, those things happen. But the change is ordinarily limited to the confines of the gene pool. It doesn't mean a fish could adapt its way into being a human.

Q: You covered a lot of this ground in "Tornado in a Junkyard." Can readers expect something new from "The Case Against Darwin"?

A: There is a bit of new material, but no, if you've read "Tornado," or for that matter, if you read the July 2001 Whistleblower, where we looked at evolution, you already know most of the points. What's new is the size. This is a book to give to a busy friend, a book for a high-school student to share with his science teacher.

"The Case Against Darwin" by James Perloff is available from ShopNetDaily.


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To: PatrickHenry
Placemarker.
1,041 posted on 01/23/2003 5:32:55 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Preserve the purity of your precious bodily fluids!)
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To: Dataman
I was headed for prison. Bib, he was only an atheist.

And, instead of taking responsibility for your actions, you blame atheist, materialist, evolutionist scientists for your plight?

1,042 posted on 01/23/2003 6:46:27 PM PST by balrog666 (If you tell the truth you don't have to remember anything - Mark Twain)
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To: Doctor Stochastic; Lurking Libertarian
Perhaps you could show where Darwin supported mass murder?

Good evening gentlemen.

I am certain you both are familiar with this aspect of the debate, so I'm not sure why you're asking the question except, perhaps, to find something in my answer with which you disagree. The short version follows:

Darwin generally smoothed over the harsh implications of his theory although racism did show its ugly presence. It took political idealists (primarily Marx) to use the implications of the theory and make the last century the most bloody ever.

Even when I was being indoctrinated in college about evolution, the prof openly declared that modern evolution had little to do with Dar's original treatise. So, as with Gatling and his gun, the blame for everything done in the name of evolution eventually lands on Charlie's shoulders.

1,043 posted on 01/23/2003 6:58:34 PM PST by Dataman
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To: balrog666
And, instead of taking responsibility for your actions, you blame atheist, materialist, evolutionist scientists for your plight?

I don't blame anyone for my plight, even though I am the product of random chance, a work of art that took millions of years, no better than any other animal except for my ability to reason. I do, however give Someone credit for straightning me out.

1,044 posted on 01/23/2003 7:02:39 PM PST by Dataman
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To: Dataman
I notice you only answer questions that make your "Christian virtue" apparent. Is that the easy way out? Like the Anti-Pope, are you prohibited from saying "I don't know" to a question and admitting some human failing to the opposition? Not intended as a dig, just curious - balrog.

1,045 posted on 01/23/2003 7:31:29 PM PST by balrog666 (If you tell the truth you don't have to remember anything - Mark Twain)
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To: Dataman
You still haven't shown where Darwin supported mass murder.
1,046 posted on 01/23/2003 8:23:06 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic ( The wheel that squeaks the loudest gets replaced.)
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To: Dataman
Now, where have I seen this argument before?

Oh yes, that's right, IDr's do it when they cannot refute the facts.

Can't fight the message, do what you can to discredit the messenger.

DallsMike tried this tactic on me in another thread, he decided that since I am not a scientist with no scientific credentials that I was not to be taken seriously on the subject of evolution, ID as theology etc.

OK, so this tells me either they are playing off the same ID playbook, or else they are truly desperate.

So, if you are open minded and learned enough to say that evolution is a scientific theory, that it is indeed the best SCIENTIFICALLY provable theory at this point, that creationism and ID are religious in nature and have no place in the scientific realm, then you are by definition, the following:

An atheist, immoral, killer of babies, raper of women and men, ANTI-religious, child molester, criminal, mass murderer, insane, I am sure there are more that I missed, but I think I have the basics covered.

Yes indeed, if you can't fight the message, kill or discredit the messenger in any way shape or form you can.

Scary, to say the least.
1,047 posted on 01/23/2003 9:10:06 PM PST by Aric2000 (Can't fight the message, discredit or kill the messenger, I see this ID tactic a lot!!)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
You still haven't shown where Darwin supported mass murder.

You don't think survival of the fittest // natural selection . . .

.. would have anything to do with genocide // mass murder

-- do you ? ? ?

1,048 posted on 01/23/2003 10:01:23 PM PST by f.Christian (Orcs of the world: Take note and beware.)
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To: balrog666
I notice you only answer questions that make your "Christian virtue" apparent. Is that the easy way out? Like the Anti-Pope, are you prohibited from saying "I don't know" to a question and admitting some human failing to the opposition? Not intended as a dig, just curious - balrog.

Just curious, why don't you answer all of the questions put to you? It's ok to say that you don't know.

Is it not a double standard to require our side to answer all the questions yet exempt yourselves from that requirement?

I may not answer questions for one or more of the following reasons:

Post 1021, for example, asks the same question after it was answered. If DS doesn't get it, I don't have time to hold his hand. The question is argumentative.

You all must admit (if you are reasonable) that if every question was answered by both sides these threads would never end.

1,049 posted on 01/24/2003 5:37:47 AM PST by Dataman
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To: f.Christian
No, survival of the fittest is a ex post concept.
1,050 posted on 01/24/2003 6:12:39 AM PST by Doctor Stochastic (It is not possible to step in the same river even once.)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Might makes right . . . writes (( fabricates // dictates )) history // science - - - is what evolution // fascism is all about ! ! !
1,051 posted on 01/24/2003 6:24:04 AM PST by f.Christian (Orcs of the world: Take note and beware.)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Might makes right . . . writes (( fabricates // dictates )) history // science - - - is what evolution // fascism is all about ! ! !
1,052 posted on 01/24/2003 6:28:04 AM PST by f.Christian (Orcs of the world: Take note and beware.)
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To: f.Christian
No. You are projecting your ex ante judgments onto ex post descriptions. Evolutionary theory is not prescriptive, merely descriptive.

At best, science tells you what happens, not whether you will like or dislike it.
1,053 posted on 01/24/2003 6:33:26 AM PST by Doctor Stochastic (It is not possible to step in the same river even once.)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
You shouldn't use the words science // evolution interchangeably . . . they are the opposites ! ! !
1,054 posted on 01/24/2003 6:37:46 AM PST by f.Christian (Orcs of the world: Take note and beware.)
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To: Dataman
You all must admit (if you are reasonable) that if every question was answered by both sides these threads would never end.

It might promote a bit more understanding on both sides. For example, was my characterization of "Kevin Curry" inconsistant with his derisive ad-hominem-and-run posting style?

Do you think more people would bother to read Gore3000's posts if he responded to the points others made instead of calling them liars and slimers and evo-taliban atheist communists.

1,055 posted on 01/24/2003 6:45:12 AM PST by balrog666 (If you tell the truth you don't have to remember anything - Mark Twain)
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To: Doctor Stochastic; jennyp
jennyp...

We who use the scientific method have "faith" in mundane things: Regularity, non-contradiction, the fundamental honesty of our senses (however flawed they may be from the ideal). You, OTOH, place your faith in feelings & wishful thinking, shaped by a 2500 year old collection of middle eastern stories. You have no choice but to explain away the mundane evidence whenever it conflicts with your old stories.


fC...


This is like getting an A and saying your dog (( evolution )) did your homework // finals - - - everyone (( science // Truth )) else flunks // fails !

also by---

jennyp...

We know through observation & valid inference that the world is an ordered universe. You don't need to tack on a mythical person who willed it that way in order to understand that it is that way. Just like you don't have to tack on Apollo & his chariot pulling the Sun across the sky in order to understand that the Sun moves.


fC...


Like saying the sole explanation for Christmas is santa claus---

how evolutionist write // think ! ! !




1,056 posted on 01/24/2003 7:07:51 AM PST by f.Christian (Orcs of the world: Take note and beware.)
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To: balrog666
It might promote a bit more understanding on both sides. For example, was my characterization of "Kevin Curry" inconsistant with his derisive ad-hominem-and-run posting style?

You just provided an example of a question that should be ignored because the answer is self evident. I think you understand this even though your question indicates that you do not. Let me break it down for you:

As BibChr pointed out, you guys like the golden rule. You can't support it but you like it anyway. Assuming you think the golden rule is a good idea, you would welcome his characterization of your parents and education based on some of the less-than-objective comments you've made, right?

So you're trapped. If you agree with my statement you admit that your characterization of Kevin was out of line. If you disagree with my statement you approve of a double standard.

1,057 posted on 01/24/2003 8:40:25 AM PST by Dataman
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To: Dataman
So you're trapped. If you agree with my statement you admit that your characterization of Kevin was out of line. If you disagree with my statement you approve of a double standard.

My characterizaion is accurate but I'm trapped because he's a jerk?

Or, I'm trapped because you insist on some consistency on my part but not your own? Or you see it as vice versa?

Or, perhaps I'm trapped that this is all a waste of time?

Don't be coy, spell it out for us.

1,058 posted on 01/24/2003 9:24:13 AM PST by balrog666 (If you tell the truth you don't have to remember anything - Mark Twain)
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To: balrog666
he's not going to spell it out, he's trying to change the subject. Just like he did when he called us immoral etc etc ad nauseum.

He is like a democrat, he expects us to follow certain rules, but he is allowed to break them when he is feeling overwhelmed, but we are not, even when he does.
1,059 posted on 01/24/2003 10:05:17 AM PST by Aric2000 (Can't fight the message, discredit or kill the messenger, I see this ID tactic a lot!!)
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To: balrog666
My characterizaion is accurate but I'm trapped because he's a jerk? Or, I'm trapped because you insist on some consistency on my part but not your own? Or you see it as vice versa? Or, perhaps I'm trapped that this is all a waste of time?

Don't look now, but you're chasing your tail.

1,060 posted on 01/24/2003 12:24:23 PM PST by Dataman
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