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To: Dataman
My response: Think again. Reality and refusal to belive are not equivocated.

I don't have to think again, I was correct the first time. This is why I don't bother with this anymore. If you refuse to see the fallacy, I can't help you.

There is, despite your denial, evidence for the existence of another realm.

That was the question. Provide one wet iota of evidence. anything, anywhere, that can be verified (truthed) by an objective observer. There is none or we would all agree, like we agree there is gravity.

You'd have to know what an ad hominem was before you could say it was ugly. Your particular fallacy is called ignoratic elenchi which, I'm sure, you'll have to look up.

You don't even begin to fathom what I know, bra. I look up over 100 items a day, I'm not too proud to research what I don't know. I committed no fallacy and yours was an ugly attack.

you state that nothing can exist outside the universe because you have defined it so (thus giving an excellent example of petitio principii).

I said that, BY DEFINITION, nothing can exist outside the universe, not my definition; common, everyday, dictionary, scientific definition. Typical disingenuious arguments.

So let's get this straight (your screen name implies you know logic): You say "by definition" nothing exists outside the universe, supporting your claim via fallacy.

Burden of Proof. Prove something exists outside what we can prove exists.(reality - universe [now i sound like fchristian!])

I say that your kind refuse to consider arguments contrary to your reality.

There is no 'my reality' or 'your reality' there is only 'reality' and those that accept it as it is, or not. There is no 'my kind.' I am of a kind you have never met before and it is only your arrogance that presumes that you already know what 'kind' i am.

1,068 posted on 01/25/2003 9:20:33 PM PST by LogicWings
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To: LogicWings
I said that, BY DEFINITION, nothing can exist outside the universe

Why do you bother? Do you really think there is any reasoning with someone who believes there is an existence outside existence, a universe outside the universe, a something outside of everything, an X outside of X?

At some point you have to realize the mind you are dealing with is hopelessly broken, and just move on.

1,071 posted on 01/26/2003 10:17:58 AM PST by beavus
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