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To: Aric2000
I would like to clear up a few ideas regarding the Christian life that seem to be confusing. This relates to this thread because we believe that Darwin's theory was the final straw that enabled intelligent people to "logically" reject the concept of God.



1.) When we KNOW that we are imperfect, and understand this imperfection causes us to be spiritually dead and unable to have a relationship (communicate) with God, but are willing to put the entire weight of our trust in Jesus, we become spiritually alive. (Born Again)
2.) By putting the entire weight of our trust in Jesus, His perfection is attributed to us, which enables us to have an intimate relationship with God. (Forgiven)
3.) Jesus spiritually "cloaks" us with His perfection so that when God spiritually looks at us he sees perfection, therefore acceptability. But he does not remove our non-spiritual imperfection yet. Therefore we have the capacity to continue failing in this world. (Christians still sin)
4.) Forgiveness does not exclude a Christian from the consequences of their failures, even though God only spiritually sees Christ's perfection "cloaking" us. (Still forgiven, but if we steal and are caught we still go to jail)
5.) God created us with free will, which he will not violate. (force a person to believe He is God) Each and every individual needs to use their own free will to choose to align themselves with God. (Those who become less and less aligned with God perpetrate Evil in this world)

Many people have been transformed by their realization of God's love towards them.

Drug addicts no longer addicted.

Greedy people becoming generous.

Selfish people becoming unselfish.

Murderers becoming disgusted with what they did, then showing pure love towards others.

Uncommitted type people becoming committed type people.

Men who only thought they loved their children, becoming men who really love their children.

Wives who disrespect their husbands becoming wives who truly respect their husbands. (This one usually changes the husband as much as the wife)

Husbands who are unloving to their wives becoming husbands who cherish their wives. (This one usually changes the wife as much as the husband)


Bitter, angry, resentful people becoming sweet, gentle, forgiving people.

None of these people are perfect, but they consistently exhibit these new characteristics in their lives.

These people have experienced a spiritual transformation. Unexplainable by science (psychology, genetics, natural maturing, lottery winning etc...) These changes are real because we are spiritual beings in need of a relationship with God. Science has no explanation for the radical transformations that Christ has done in billions of lives for thousands of years. That is a lot of observable evidence!!

Only Jesus can turn your spiritual light on. The void in your life will become full only by Gods love and friendship. Stop looking for this through your physical eyes; which cannot see the truth.
1,064 posted on 01/25/2003 9:55:23 AM PST by bondserv
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To: bondserv
bondserv,

as I said before, if christianity gives you solice, "turns your spiritual light on" more power to you.

If being "born again" is what gives you a moral foundation, WONDERFUL, more power to you.

But Christianity is not for me, sorry, it's great for you, but it does not contain my answer.

As a matter of fact, it never asks the question.

Enjoy your christianity, but please, no more sermons to me, they are heard, but they don't mean anything.

Thanks anyway, but I do not need "saving".
1,065 posted on 01/25/2003 3:30:20 PM PST by Aric2000 (Can't fight the message, discredit or kill the messenger, I see this ID tactic a lot!!)
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To: bondserv
"This relates to this thread because we believe that Darwin's theory was the final straw that enabled intelligent people to 'logically' reject the concept of God."

Could you explain this? To test your statement, I tried to create an argument that would enable intelligent people to "logically" reject the concept of God. Below are a couple of my unsuccessful attempts:
The genetic makeup of a population changes over time, therefore there is no God?
Random mutations may sometimes result in greater fitness, therefore there is no God?
1,078 posted on 01/26/2003 5:04:23 PM PST by Voice in your head (Nuke Iraq)
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