Judge's level of secrecy in proceedings raises questions from experts

San Diego Union Tribune ^ | 9/24/02 | Greg Moran

[demsux]

BTW, link to below to see the location of Countryside Apartments...this is where Whitmore and his wife, Lori, lived...

http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?BFCat=&Pyt=Tmap&addr=Oak+Knoll+Rd&city=Poway&state=CA&csz=Poway%2C+CA&slt=32.950950&sln=-117.052500&Ds=n&mlt=32.956734&mln=-117.051807&zip=&country=us&mag=8&cs=9&BFClient=&BFKey=&poi=&poititle=&map.x=192&map.y=244

[demsux]

VERY close to Sabre Swings

[Spunky]

So far I found that on Feb 15th, an unknown person called the Van Dams and told them Danielle was alive but had been abused.

Seems like a lot of calls were made on Feb.15th.

Any ideas what this one from the police mobile phone might have been?

a February 19 warrant (No. 27845) to search records of Verizon Wireless for information regarding calls between February 15-19 made on a police mobile phone used while attempting to recreate Westerfield' s travel route; and...

[demsux]

Who was riding with DW during the recreation? Ott and Keyser? I don't remember.

[Spunky]

Who was riding with DW during the recreation? Ott and Keyser?

That I am not real sure of, but that is who I think someone on FR said went on the route with Westerfield.

[demsux]

The interesting thing about that call, is this.

DW recreated his route for LE on the 4th or 5th.

Who was recreating the trip between the 15th and 19th AND why was a call from the police cell phone important? DW would have had his own cell phone.

[John Jamieson]

Yes, and of all the players, Whitmore, his sex buddy, lives closest to Dehesa. its 8 miles away, toward the desert.

[John Jamieson]

Yes, but to my knowledge the county LE was not arrested. W&R were part of operation hamlet, not candyman unless the two are related.

[John Jamieson]

This is appeal material. Dusek refused to allow "evidence" that Danielle was alive long after the 4th?????

[John Jamieson]

LE drove the RV all over. Remember, they went to the Silver Strand to checkout the TV.

[demsux]

Now look where Dad's cafe is located, link below...Rowland could probably walk there

http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?BFCat=&Pyt=Tmap&newFL=12735+Poway+Rd%2C...%0112735+Poway+Rd%14Poway%2C+CA+92064-4443%14us&addr=12735+Poway+Rd&csz=Poway%2C+CA+92064-4443&Country=us&Get%A0Map=Get+Map

[demsux]

You can bet that Rowland had been to Dad's once or twice...

[John Jamieson]

And danced with Brenda and company. Probably gave her his card.

This case is looking more screwed up all the time. No evidence that Danielle died before the 5th, all kinds of evidence that she died long after the 5th. DW counldn't have done it but Rowland sure could have (and had essentially nothing to lose, he's going to jail forever for the other 5 children and he knew it).

[BARLF]

There is an article,North County, that has Michael Ott with DW on the 5th.desert ride. Did not mention Keyser.

The way I understand this, the conversations were not taped during this ride. The remarks LE made about what DW said on this ride can not be proven accurate. Still, what the LE(Ott?) said DW said on that trip was printed and talked up in the media as truthful statements. It's possible DW never said any such things as reported by LE. How can anyone know for sure with no taped conversations?

[demsux]

I was messing around with Yahoo maps and it is eerie how close Rowland was to Dad's Cafe AND the VD home...he lived within probably 3 miles of the VD home and within walking distance of Dad's.

[John Jamieson]

Poway is 40,000 people and about 6 miles across, a pretty small town.

[John Jamieson]

For those that think I go lightly on child killers, you'll be as glad as I am that Texas executed the "clown" that killed 7 and 10 year old girls last night. Another killer goes tonight. Texas has got that line moving!

[Jaded]

Hey, we hold the record for executions.

[John Jamieson]

It's very likely LE wanted the records of their calls to see if they went through the same cell towers as DW's did.

They were trying to find flaws in his description of the trip. They ever did find anything of significance. Nor did I, and I made it a special point to study the "trip" evidence.

[truth_seeker]

Here is a little jewel, from another thread:

Did you guys see this yet? http://www.websleuths.com/dcf/DCForumID5/846.html

As you all know early on I told you about a deputy sheriff that happens to live near us. His daughter is best friends with my daughter. I was able to gain a little knowledge early on, but then once the gag ordered was issued, he could no longer talk, well now he can and this is what he told me:
First of all this deputy escorts DW dailey to the showers, and to court when the trial was going on. He said when David Westerfield first came in he made comments to this deputy along with others, that they had the wrong guy, and he was just a normal man and couldn't understand why this was all happening.

However AFTER Feldman started nogiating a plea bargin for Westerfield he started telling them (and that means all the deputies) that he would take them to her body. At times he was begging to do this. He did NOT want to get the death penalty. As the trail proceeded Mr. Westerfield actually thought Feldman was going to get him OFF, entirely and he regained some confidence.

The day they brought him back to his jail after the DEATH sentencing was announced, he told this deputy that he was releaved it was all over with. However at no time has he ever shown any remorse whatsoever. He continues to put on a front for his family when they visit which this deputy says is often.

I will get more information this weekend when I see him again. As he talks to Westerfield daily.

End of story, posted on the cited website. My comments follow.

While I believe Feldman and Duseck are prohibited from confirming the "plea bargain for the body" story, annecdotal confirmation like this is pretty strong.

If I had only put the "W" on my forehead with a marking pen, I would be relieved it could be removed. Not so if the "W" is carved on, however.