Judge's level of secrecy in proceedings raises questions from experts

San Diego Union Tribune ^ | 9/24/02 | Greg Moran

[CW_Conservative]

I wonder if all of the passengers on 9/11 who were diverted would feel the same way about their flight attendants.

Well if, heaven forbid, terrorists ever take over a plane she is on, the passengers might want to re-think the rally phrase, "Let's Roll".

[UCANSEE2]

Here is where the phone call of Feb 15th is being discussed in the recently unsealed transcripts.

go down to page 8074

[demsux]

Well if, heaven forbid, terrorists ever take over a plane she is on, the passengers might want to re-think the rally phrase, "Let's Roll".

Bong to the top...you're killing me

[RnMomof7]

Thanks for the bump....ya know I still am not sure he did it???

[John Jamieson]

In the absince of any evidence that Danielle died before Feb 5th, I think this should have allowed as the only eyewitness evidence of the date of her death. It was a tough call by Mudd, but the trial could have gone the other way if it had been allowed. The rules for exculpatory evidence should be more lax, if we're really trying to be sure no innocent man is convicted. Oh, well, guess I'll have to wait for the tell all books.

[John Jamieson]

One has to wonder if the call would have suddenly been admissable if the caller had said that DW did it and dumped her body on the 3d?

[Lauratealeaf]

One has to wonder if the call would have suddenly been admissable if the caller had said that DW did it and dumped her body on the 3d?

The judge just buckled under to Dusek. I read that transcript and that was weird.

[Jrabbit]

But,whine,she always tested clean. Whine, sniff, it's DW's fault she smokes dope. Whine,whine, she plays with figity babies and ya know whose business is it what she does or who she does in private and ya know?

[John Jamieson]

I read a lot of the testimony about the dog guy last night. The best line was from the dog expert who said "idiocy moves up and down the leash."

[Phyllis]

. . . and after taking each item out of your purse, one by one, holding each up for all to see, and commenting about each in a foreign language to their search mate. Are we having fun yet? Then confiscate your embroidery scissors. NOW we're having fun! (Especially if we can just throw the scissors (& nail files & nail clippers) in the garbage immediately.) It's so ridiculous!

Remind me to never fly Southwest again as long as DK is working for them.

[Marianne]

From the article reporting that Kemal was reinstated:
"I've always wanted to fly," she said.
In more ways than one!

[pinz-n-needlez]

I've heard of more than one pair of antique, heirloom scissors having their blades broken off and tossed in the garbage last fall.

Now most stitchers know to only travel with that clover thread cutter pendant. Screeners are too stupid to know that it hides 10 or 12 1/8" razors. lol

I dread flying any planes. Not with my propensity to make smart ass remarks. :-)

John, lots of idiocy to spread around during the whole 'investigation.'

[Jrabbit]

OMG-just saw the pic that went with the article. Fresno would have loved it! Too bad they got rid of him :(

[dread78645]

Interesting reading from "180 Frazee" in the unsealed #4 transcript.

Seems that Hopi, with a stuffed toy as a scent reference, followed the scent up Mountain Pass road on to Springhurst then lost the track.
Monday ? they searched the houses. Jim Frazee said about a half-dozen house were searched.

Hopi (using a pillowcase for reference) was used to search the DAW home. The dog ignored the living room, family room, went up the stairs and got interested in the master bedrom closet, turned and waited for a reward.
The next day Jim took both Hopi & Cielo to the motorhome in High Valley. Neither dog alerted or seemed interested.

A(few) days later, they ran the dogs again thru the motorhome in police impound, Hopi became disturbed and tried to exit the motorhome; Frazee guesses the dog smelled a "fear scent" and was afraid.
Cielo was the used and detected a "cadaver scent", sat and barked --the "alert" according to Jim Frazee.

My questions:
Didn't the police officer supervising the search at impound say the dog didn't bark ?
Did they start searching before DAW got back ? Or did they wait until he showed up.
Wonder what was different about the toy scent and the pillowcase scent ?
Did Ott & Keyser enter DAW's home before Hopi got there ?
It may be my memory, but I don't re-call the jury hearing about the first motorhome search, why is that ?

[demsux]

I thought the dogs did not "alert" at the MH the first time, which makes me wonder why they brought them back a second time...maybe Ott and Keyser told them to come back.

[Guenevere]

She's been rehired?!!!!

I guess I shouldn't be surprised....but honestly, I am.

I can't believe I'm reading this!!....Would it do any good (probably not!) to protest this or send letters to Southwest?
...this is insane.

...and yes, it makes one wonder if those drunk pilots will be reinstated also!!!

I just returned from a trip (on another airline) this weekend.

And I continue to witness the little old ladies being pulled aside

...!!literally, right in front of me, this little old couple, and they were taking out every medicine pouch, every makeup bag, her kleenexes, her eyeglass case.....it was pathetic.

They also pulled aside a family of four.....mom, dad, and two preteens.
...It was horrendous seeing them wand the little preteens, making them spreadeagle, and hold up their arms, and knowing everyone was looking at them.

Of course, the ONE guy I would have wanted searched, simply trotted onto the plane as free as a bird!!!

And Denise wants to 'fly'......

...good mercy, when does this end!

[UCANSEE2]

The only parallel I see is that Dusek wanted the Dehesa Road witnesses to testify and Mudd ruled against it. Though I believe it was for different reasons, it was also similar (Exactly the same, but different).

Mudd implied that since their were about 20 witnesses who said they saw the MH and DW at Dehesa Rd, but each saw different motorhomes, at different times, and they were all completely after the fact (after DW had been arrested and him and the MH seen on TV), that their testimony was pretty much 'imagination running wild'. I believe the major point was that they didn't call them in for trial, so they couldn't call them in for penalty phase. (hope I am not getting this mixed up with a similar incident in this

Bottom line is that these witnesses were unreliable and should not have been allowed, and that the phone call on the 15th had no more justification for being used as evidence either, (unless they could provide the actual caller to prove she was alive on that date).

[UCANSEE2]

Your question about "if the caller said DW dumped the body on the 4th" or something similiar, would MUDD have allowed it?

Well, if you go according to pattern, then YES!

Truthfully, we will never know. I thought Feldman's argument for it was very substantial. Dusek's argument stood well by itself, but I would have given it support only if the info on the search/warrant and results were stated.

[dread78645]

I thought the dogs did not "alert" at the MH the first time, which makes me wonder why they brought them back a second time...maybe Ott and Keyser told them to come back.

Yes. That's what (pardon the expression) stinks about the whole case. Just about every incriminating bit of physical evidence seems to have been found after the SDPD detectives had a opportunity to "salt" it.

Recovering the body by the ME & techs --didn't give the detectives a chance to sprinkle any spice.

I could have found DAW guilty, but for the bug-guys and timeline.

[demsux]

I could have found DAW guilty, but for the bug-guys and timeline.

I agree, however I have other doubts as well:

Absconding with a seven year old girl while there is an alarm system, a dog, parents and other children present and leaving no forensic evidence.

Parents lying to law enforcement for 17 +/- hours after their daughter goes missing.

BVD inviting TOTAL STRANGERS back their home that night.

Too many irregularities. If they said DW snatched her off the street, I probably would have bought it, but entering an unknown home in the middle of the night, with a dog and parents, no way.