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Am I to Understand?
Joe Phillips | 7-28-02 | Joe Phillips

Posted on 07/28/2002 12:03:58 PM PDT by BADJOE

Free Republic and Liberty Post.org

To all:

I would hope your appearances and posting on these pages states your desire to undo years of liberal policies in this land I hope we all dearly love. I would hope that a hundred successful LibertyPost.org and FreeRepublics would advance the cause we all hold near and dear.

From what I have read here it seems many are more interested in fighting each other than they are in advancing the cause of individual liberty and limited constitution government as envisioned by our forefathers.

If my second paragraph is the truth, shame on you.

Let us stop the petty bickering about crap that doesn't amount to a hill of blue beans and get on with the job at hand.


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To: dirtboy; diotima; Jim Robinson
Unique moderator IDs would be nice. There's no harm in that, now is there?
341 posted on 07/28/2002 11:37:33 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Why do you intend on starting trouble?

That's rich, coming from you! lol

How do you post that with a straight face?

342 posted on 07/28/2002 11:44:54 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: oldvike
I suspended him. And, yes, I deleted the offensive post. And you may leave off the "herr moderator" insults on your next post.
343 posted on 07/28/2002 11:53:09 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Sir Gawain
Ain't gonna happen.
344 posted on 07/28/2002 11:55:50 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Senator Pardek
Jesus, people - we are just talking about websites!

Exactly. Some people take this way too seriously. Still, it's a nice study in sociology to see this behavior.

345 posted on 07/28/2002 11:55:55 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Jim Robinson
Oh well. It was worth a shot.
346 posted on 07/29/2002 12:04:06 AM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: TLBSHOW
Dude, you are so sad it's unf'ingbelievable.

First off, no I don't think that Ann Coulter would ever call you because hell would freeze over before she swapped phone numbers with you. Just like all those girls in high school, to her, you don't exist. Except maybe when she refers to you as "that stalker" to her local police.

OK, and I counted 36 bookmarked threads on your profile regarding Ann Coulter, and those are just the ones which mention her by name. This crazed, obsessive compulsion to talk about her and defend her and attack anyone who might happen to disagree with her (people whose ranks do not include I) tells me you do so hoping she'll stumble onto such threads (she freeps 10 hours a day like you, ya know) and go ga-ga for TLBSHOW.

Does your wife like that idea?

And by the way, liberal commies, Democrat fools, blah blah blah. I can tell you for sure that RonDog and I do NOT fall into such categories, if that's what you tried to infer. Ask AnnaZ and Mercuria. They'll tell you.

Now go to bed. Someone in your family needs to pay the bills, so your wife will need you to get up and make her coffee for her before she sets off.
347 posted on 07/29/2002 1:25:33 AM PDT by StoneColdGOP
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To: Admin Moderator
I understand that, but don't you think that when attacks and insults come out of nowhere when no one is even talking about libertarianism, don't you think that should be pulled?!? Yes, we libertarians, some of us at least, can give as well as we get. But I've found consistently that certain posters start up on threads such as pedophilia and bestiality and blame Libt.'s out of nowhere. I haven't seen the same from the Libts.

I think that overall, the moderating is even-handed except in that regard. It is to such an extent that it makes me not want to post here all that much. Why is a 'conservative' point of view attacked so consistently by certain posters and allowed to stand? There's a difference between heated statements in an argument versus uncalled-for nastiness out of nowhere.

348 posted on 07/29/2002 2:40:34 AM PDT by technochick99
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To: rdb3; elbucko
"Third, HOLD THE LINE, meaning, stick to this goal no matter what. Lastly, move upward on that which was built."

I agree that would be a solution. However, the problem is that we can't agree on where the line is, much less where it should be. A friend of mine once said, when we were talking about this problem, that conservatives are an ornery, independent-minded bunch, and that's why we can't agree.

Carolyn

349 posted on 07/29/2002 3:12:27 AM PDT by CDHart
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To: technochick99
"I understand that, but don't you think that when attacks and insults come out of nowhere when no one is even talking about libertarianism, don't you think that should be pulled?!?"

I don't know what to say other than I haven't personally seen what you are saying here, but will keep your perception in mind in the future and try to make sure that I am not missing something. Thanks, AM

350 posted on 07/29/2002 5:48:58 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Askel5
I would love to engage in a deep philosophical discussion of the left but you are fishing in a rather shallow pond. I haven't a clue who Keunnelt-Leddihn is nor do I know what the implications of the anarchism of Bakhunin are.

Perhaps I will bone up on such thing so as not to appear as such a dolt!

J

351 posted on 07/29/2002 6:25:00 AM PDT by J. L. Chamberlain
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To: J. L. Chamberlain
Regarding Kuennelt-Leddihn, here is what The Heritage Foundation (a conservative thinktank) said about him and one of his most famous works:
Leftism Revisited: From de Sade and Mark to Hitler and Pol Pot by Erik Von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

“Some have suggested the late Von Kuehnelt-Leddihn was the single most educated human being on the planet. He spoke eight languages fluently, could read eleven others. There was not a subject he couldn't tackle with a depth of knowledge that was simply startling. In Leftism Revisited, what Bill Buckley called "his masterpiece," Von Kuehnelt-Leddihn gives us the history of socialism worldwide, beginning with ancient Greece and coming forward to the present day. To read the book is to understand the left not as a political movement but as a historic phenomenon. The author enlightens by regularly challenging conventional wisdom. For the conservative wishing to understand what liberalism is all about, this book is a must.” – Brent L. Bozell, III, Media Research Center

A highly recommended but challenging read. The Action Institute for the Study of Religion and Liberty wrote this post-mortem:

Erik Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn (1909–1999)

"The free market must not renounce gain nor make it a fetish. It, too, falls under divine law and is not subject to purely human regulations."

In May of 1999 the Acton Institute lost a great friend and supporter with the death of Dr. Erik Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn. An internationally acclaimed historian, author, journalist, and lecturer, Dr. Kuehnelt-Leddihn served for many years on the Institute’s Board of Advisors, as well as on the editorial board for the Institute’s bimonthly publication Religion & Liberty.

According to his friend William F. Buckley, Dr. Kuehnelt-Leddihn was "the world’s most fascinating man," and he has left a most fascinating legacy. Born in Austria on July 31, 1909, he studied theology, along with civil and canon law, at the University of Vienna. Afterward, he received his doctorate in political science at the University of Budapest. Throughout his life, Dr. Kuehnelt-Leddihn was a prolific writer; he started writing for newspapers and periodicals at age sixteen, first publishing in the London Spectator. Moving to America after World War I, he taught at Georgetown University, Saint Peter’s College, Fordham University, and Chestnut Hill College. He resettled in his native Austria in 1947 and devoted his time to alternating periods of studying, traveling, writing, and lecturing.

Dr. Kuehnelt-Leddihn was a true and traditional man of letters. He spoke eight languages and read eleven others. He travelled to and lectured in dozens of countries on six continents. A collection of his novels, theoretical books, essays, articles, and occasional pieces would fill a small library. His most recent English books include Leftism Revisited, An Intelligent American’s Guide to Europe, and Liberty or Equality. Furthermore, he had a lasting influence on modern American conservatism (which he preferred to call by its European and, as he thought, more descriptive term liberalism).

His chief intellectual project centered on defending the theoretical foundations of liberty in the modern world, especially in response to the distortions in the idea of liberty precipitated by the French Revolution. In his words, "My studies in political theory and practice have been largely directed toward finding ways to strengthen the great Western tradition of human freedom, now under attack from so many sides."

Dr. Kuehnelt-Leddihn is survived by his wife, Countess Christian Goess; three children; and seven grandchildren.

As for boning up on anarchism, it is a cousin to Marxism. The primary difference between the two is that Marx believed that the state was a neutral entity, that could be taken by the workers in their revolution and used to further the goals of the revolution. Bakhunin and anarchists believed (and in this one regard, they were correct) that the state, if taken by the revolutionaries, would then be used to oppress the workers instead. You can read up on the idiocy of anarchism here.

352 posted on 07/29/2002 6:41:46 AM PDT by Dales
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To: Dales
Thanks...Um, I think. ;)

J

353 posted on 07/29/2002 6:50:33 AM PDT by J. L. Chamberlain
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To: Abundy; RedBloodedAmerican; Lowelljr; Roscoe; Dane; Texasforever; Kevin Curry
Maybe your problem is your penchant for discussing various people's "ilk" rather than issues of philosophy or politics.
354 posted on 07/29/2002 7:20:33 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Abundy; Cultural Jihad
Some people got tired of dealing with Roscoe, Dane, TexasForever, CulturalJihad and their ilk and went looking elsewhere.

LOL!

I suppose that's why FR has withered up and died: the heavyweight thinkers moved on to more "enlightened" forums.

What? FR is alive and healthy? How did that happen?

I've visited some of the "enlightened" forums that the heavyweight thinkers emigrated to. They are truly Hobbesian, desolate and harsh places where intellectual life of any kind is "nasty, brutish, and short."

355 posted on 07/29/2002 7:47:45 AM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: StoneColdGOP
whatever floats your boat.
356 posted on 07/29/2002 8:24:21 AM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: J. L. Chamberlain
Dales also wants more so I'll flag you to the Keunnelt-Leddihn passage your reply recalled to me once I get a chance to type it up. It's a great little read and you'll see why your reply struck me.

Bakhunin's just one of the rank anarchists mentioned by K-L who hits closest to home with me. He was practically a "Hillary Clinton style moderate" compared to Sergei Nechaiev (author of Catechism of a Revolutionary) but both were a part of the Narodnaya Volya or "The People's Will" at the heart of the roots of the Soviet terror on whose Internationale we now think to declare war ... with the help of those who designed, funded, seeded, trained and sustained the global network in the first place, strangely enough.

(The heart of the Left realizing that enough loosing of the New Left or thoroughly radicalised left will result in the win:win that are obtaining from the rightest elements of the West:


357 posted on 07/29/2002 8:40:51 AM PDT by Askel5
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To: Sir Gawain; Jim Robinson
That's rich, coming from you! lol How do you post that with a straight face?

The same as you would.

BTW this is the third time this month where I have been posting on a 300+ comment thread and your ONLY post on it is a to slight me (oops, you did make a post here asking Jim to identify the Mods, so maybe we can bend this for you).

Stalking?

At least I have the gumption to talk TO someone instead of going around threads talking ABOUT them. need examples? Leave Howlin alone.

358 posted on 07/29/2002 1:27:05 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Howlin
ping
359 posted on 07/29/2002 1:27:20 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Stalking?

LOL. I've responded to you three whole times? Wow. How many times do you ping FIJC to slight her? You out "stalk" me by a mile.

360 posted on 07/29/2002 1:44:05 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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