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huffy post ^ | Nina Vinik

Posted on 10/17/2023 7:36:05 PM PDT by algore

On a recent flight, I found myself seated next to a man I’ll call Rick, who was keen for conversation.

We established that we are both lawyers. Rick works for the government, and I explained that I lead a gun violence prevention organization. Rick took that as an invitation to talk about guns.

A self-described “2A fanatic” from Texas, Rick grew up with guns and today owns more than 40 firearms. He considers himself a collector, and many of his guns are antiques — he’s not interested in assault-style firearms — and he makes his own ammunition from recycled casings. In short, Rick is a gun guy, and I was interested in his views on gun violence.

Rick offered that he has family in Uvalde, where 19 elementary school students and two educators were murdered in a mass shooting last year. He declared that... he felt that “something needs to be done.”

I asked Rick what he believed should be done. He wondered aloud about psychological testing for gun buyers but concluded that that would be too challenging to administer.

I asked what he thought about “red flag” laws that allow for temporary removal of firearms when a gun owner is determined to pose a risk for harming themself or others. Rick didn’t support these types of laws because he doesn’t trust the process.

Efforts to tackle military and veteran suicide by addressing access to firearms? No, he sees suicide as an individual decision.

What about limits on gun ownership for those with a history of domestic violence? Rick had mentioned that his legal work included handling sexual assault cases, so this seemed like low-hanging fruit. But again, Rick was not on board. He felt there were too many cases in which women falsely accused their partners of domestic abuse.

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Alex, I'll take "Things that never happened for $100"
1 posted on 10/17/2023 7:36:05 PM PDT by algore
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To: algore

Your link didn’t go to the Huffington Post, it went to MSN.

Here is the real link.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/second-amendment-fanatic-gun-violence_n_6505e5a7e4b045a142a4c2a0


2 posted on 10/17/2023 7:39:11 PM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: algore

3 posted on 10/17/2023 7:39:50 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: algore

An anti gun attorney who can process rational thoughts.

It,...could happen.


4 posted on 10/17/2023 7:41:19 PM PDT by lurk (u)
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To: algore

How is suicide a factor in why people should be disarmed?
I’m sorry if somebody is hurting enough to off themselves, but how does it keep them safe by disarming me?

Most liberals somehow see death by gun as worse than death by other methods, including jumping in front of a vehicle.


5 posted on 10/17/2023 7:41:44 PM PDT by Jonty30 (It never rains in sunny Alberta. It always rains in rainy Alberta.)
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To: algore

Yet another holier than thou that wants you to understand that they have the right ideas and that you need to join them in their way of thinking...... Oh, and by the way, did she tell you that she’s a Lawyer enough?


6 posted on 10/17/2023 7:44:03 PM PDT by theyreallthesame
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To: algore

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3999744/posts ;-)


7 posted on 10/17/2023 7:45:47 PM PDT by Drago
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To: algore

YOU WON!

Absolutely no way this conversation took place.


8 posted on 10/17/2023 7:50:54 PM PDT by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes)
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To: Organic Panic

Bonus Round... She’s from Chicago....How’s that working out for you?


9 posted on 10/17/2023 7:53:12 PM PDT by theyreallthesame
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To: algore

Time alike this you want access to any and every database known, to research her travel history and find ‘Rick’. Completely unbeknownst to her.

Then confront on her lies in front of the world.


10 posted on 10/17/2023 7:56:35 PM PDT by qaz123
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To: algore

Why does the discussion never go to the real reason it is in the Constitution?

Columbo:
“Just one more thing. Help me understand why our Founding Fathers thought the 2nd amendment was so important. What does it exactly say again?”


11 posted on 10/17/2023 7:59:15 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: Jonty30

They use suicide by gun in gun violence statistics. Not really fair. Given a choice in a suicidal person, a gun is likely an easy and effective option. If no gun....seems like there are plenty of other options.

Methods of Suicide: Suffocation (strangulation and hanging). Jumping from height. Drowning. Poisoning. Drug overdose. Carbon monoxide. Gas-oven. Shooting. Cutting and stabbing. Starvation and dehydration. Collision with or of a vehicle. Electrocution. Hypothermia.

• Using data from the 2017-2019 National Violent Death Reporting System, in all age groups, 55% of men and 30% of women used firearms; 28% of men and 29% of women hanging/suffocation; 9% of men and 32% of women poisoning, and 8% of men and 9% of women “other” methods (Front. Public Health. 2022;10 DOI:10.3389/fpubh.2022.955008). “The findings call for the following suicide prevention strategies: (1) restricted access to firearms; (2) improved access to mental health/substance use treatment; (3) improved long-term and palliative care services for those (mostly older adults) with physical health problems; (4) financial/housing support policies to mitigate economic hardship; and (5) more research to identify effective strategies to curtail the increasing use of firearm and hanging/suffocation among young and middle-aged adults.”
• There is data that shows access to guns increases the risk of suicide by gun. But a looking at World Health Organization data indicates that the United States falls more or less in the middle of the pack for both male and female suicides, with 17.7 male deaths (38th-most among 105 countries) and 4.5 female deaths (40th) per 100,000 people (the transnational statistics are drawn from varying years)(https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/05/03/how-does-americas-suicide-rate-compare-globally/#:~:text=But%20a%20look%20at%20World,are%20drawn%20from%20varying%20years).


12 posted on 10/17/2023 8:02:56 PM PDT by consult
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To: algore

Personal, human responsible agency.

Self-discpline and training.

But the “liberal” sure seems to “think” otherwise:

The yellow stripe down the center of the road, does not protect you from on-coming traffic.

The badge on a police officer’s uniform, does not protect you from the police officer.

Woke narratives, certainly do not protect you - and had no effect upon HAMAS.


13 posted on 10/17/2023 8:07:23 PM PDT by linMcHlp
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To: algore

bkmk


14 posted on 10/17/2023 8:08:44 PM PDT by sauropod (I will stand for truth even if I stand alone.)
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To: consult

I remember reading a while back that Japan, where almost no guns are in private hands, has a much higher suicide rate than the US.

If someone wants to kill themselves, they’ll find a way.


15 posted on 10/17/2023 8:13:00 PM PDT by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: Jonty30
Most liberals somehow see death by gun as worse than death by other methods, including jumping in front of a vehicle.

Or driving in front of a truck to save your children from showers with Ol' Rumpleforeskin...

16 posted on 10/17/2023 8:13:11 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: theyreallthesame
Because where there are more guns, there is more gun violence, not less. And history demonstrates that culture change often begins with young people armed with the facts.

She’s getting close....culture, violence....Chicago’s “gun violence” can certainly be attributed to a cultural shift. But it’s not with facts that the yoots are armed.

17 posted on 10/17/2023 8:14:43 PM PDT by gundog (It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: algore

Typical of a gun-grabber to expect a gun-owner to “change his views.”


18 posted on 10/17/2023 8:15:49 PM PDT by Jim Hill
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To: algore

Yes. Another fever-dream fantasy on-the-nose garbage article.


19 posted on 10/17/2023 8:27:11 PM PDT by freedomjusticeruleoflaw (Strange that a man with his wealth would have to resort to prostitution.)
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To: Jim Hill

Ms. Vinik is disarmingly attractive.


20 posted on 10/17/2023 8:31:10 PM PDT by 4Runner
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