Am I alone? I don't know anyone who has died of Covid.

Drew68 | 12/25/2021 | Me

[Drew68]

So I'm on this debate on Twitter.

Here, fellow FReepers is the God's honest truth.

I am 53 years old. I'm not a recluse. I have family, friends, co-workers, all over the United States. I'm socially active.

I do not know a single person who has died from Covid. I do not know a single person who has been hospitalized with Covid. I have not once received a phone call that someone I know has died from this.

I DO KNOW several people who have gotten Covid, all have recovered. Most said it felt like a weird cold. One friend of mine said it kicked his ass. None of them went to the hospital with it. All have been fine.

I read about hospitals overwhelmed with patients on life support, dying.

Seriously, am I living some strange sheltered existence where this disease doesn't exist?

[Theophilus]

we need to eventually discuss openly and without anger, that is conservative climate change deniers

The climate is always changing. The James Webb Space Telescope is utilizing unprecedented and exorbitant technological lengths to try to create a stable cold climate at L2 but is will fail in a cosmic wink of time because, the climate is always changing.

On the other hand, if you try to tell me you know what the temperature is going to be 25 days from now, much less 25 years from now, I'll call you the despicable fortune telling liar you are.

Welcome to FR!

The Walrus and the Carpenter
Were walking close at hand;
They wept like anything to see
Such quantities of sand:
If this were only cleared away,'
They said, it would be grand!'

[Svartalfiar]

The fundamental issue is: How Many?

But it really isn't. It's irrelevant if no one dies, or half the population dies; FedGov has no power to force even a time-tested real vaccine on the whole populace. They have some leeway on international travelers coming in to the country, but it would take a Constitutional amendment for them to be given the power to do most of what they do nowadays.

Now on a State level, we get a bit more gray. States have much more power than the FedGov, and the appropriateness of measures like quarantines would certainly be up for debate on your question of "How many?" / the societal risk/rights/benefit analysis. But even then, States should NOT have the power to force unwanted drugs into your system. That is a power that should most properly remain at the individual level.


So, the truth of the matter is, if this virus had a mortality rate as high as even 5-10% (never mind 30-50%) we would see the results with our own eyes, and if it warranted it it, people would not only be taking any vaccination they could get (even ones that were untested and possibly life threatening) they wouldn't be going out in public unless they were wearing a full hazmat suit and respirator, and would barricade themselves in their houses with firearms and signs to keep away unwanted visitors.

This is true, but as I said above, what the people choose to do individually is really irrelevant to the bigger question of whether the government has been (and should be) granted the power to force such actions. Under the Constitution, FedGov does NOT have any such powers, and I doubt any State Constitution allows for most of such powers either.

[rlmorel]

"...But it really isn't. It's irrelevant if no one dies, or half the population dies; FedGov has no power to force even a time-tested real vaccine on the whole populace..."

If you read my post, you would know you don't have to broach even that aspect of the subject. And you would also know I agree with you on that.

The whole point is, people are trying to determine (on their own) rationally what the risk/benefit is to allow us to make choices, and government sources are not providing the appropriate contextual information for us to do it, hence the popularity of this thread.

And you are correct on one point: They can't force you to take an injection. But they can (and will) restrict your movement in the circumstances I describe below.

And I will say-It DOES make a difference, if you don't, I don't think you are thinking it through. One of the roles of a Constitutional Republic like ours is to provide security. If there were a 90% fatality rate from those who contract some disease and it was highly contagious, you could be sure there would be all kinds of efforts by any organized government (or people if there was no functioning government) to keep infected people out, Constitution or not. And of that, I have zero doubt. People would not only be doing it in their own homes and neighborhoods (keeping people out with firearms, etc.) but at a local and likely national level as well.

This is akin to the old question about how pornography is defined...we all know it when we see it, but defining it is something else. I don't think it is un-conservative to be able to conceive of a situation where organized groups would take away the rights of others including the freedom of movement in the event of a highly contagious pathogen, available vaccine or not. That is just being realistic and taking into account human nature. It may not be Constitutional, but if it were to get to that point, Constitutionality is going to be the least of our issues, IMO.

But I can hope that we ALL agree-THIS is not THAT kind of situation, and this COVID virus is not in any way any kind of justification for the people in support of this tyranny of mandates and restrictions we currently see.

[Gaffer]

I think the natural ‘rhythm’ of breathing is a bodily function that is constantly in a flux that depends on many factors and I think one of the problems is that the machines can’t duplicate that, and it’s one of the reasons why the body reacts to it like it does. Just my opinion.

[wintertime]

Good point about the age of my parents. They were born in 1913 and would have been too young to take notice. My grandparents, and great aunts and uncles though, never mentioned it.

[Trumplican]

Know all the deaths personally I listed personally. The vaccination death is a friend of an employee. (not official cause of death, but healthy late 30’s gets vaccine during the day, dies in sleep at night, seems suspicious) Know of others who died from covid, friends of friends.

One person I know of 2nd hand was elderly friend of the coworkers husband. Last Christmas, 3 couples spent Christmas together. 3 ended up in hospital by New Year’s with Covid. 2 died. 1 was in hospital for months, then rehab, still permanently disabled, mentally and physically. 3 never got sick. I did not include the 2 additional people from the xmas party in my list of Deaths I knew.

Don’t know anyone, first or second hand that ever died of the flu.

[wardaddy]

My experience as well

And I’ve had it.

[Jewbacca]

I know quite a few, actually.

One morbidly obese man in his 40s.

Two older husband and wife(80s/90s), both extremely fit for their age (runners and weight lifters) that got it early on in an airplane.

Their pilot (40s, very fit).

A middle-aged lady, rich, had a trainer but was no fitness queen.

I also know several people who have gotten extremely ill (heart issues) from the shot. Three, in fact. All military guys, very fit, but middle aged.

[saleman]

I know several

[kelly4c]

Thanks Texas girl. I’ve been taking D and B vitamins daily. Those are the ones I was found to be severely deficient in a few years ago. My system doesn’t do well with high mg zinc and for years I’ve stayed away from vitamin C supplements since I discovered drinking OJ made my face breakout but yeah I need to suck it up and get some emergencee regardless. Do you do the quercetin as well?

[kelly4c]

I’m struggling to figure out what EGT means. Lol. He is unvaccinated. My daughter had to get the vax months ago for college. She’s okay so far, so are the grandkids. His symptoms are mild but so we’re my Bro in law’s in the beginning and he ended up in hospital a few days. Will give updates.

[dead]

I know two men in their fifties and another in his sixties who died of Covid. The first two were early on before there was a vaccine. The third was double vaxxed and died two weeks ago.

[hecticskeptic]

EGT = Experimental Gene Therapy.... and if you’ve had shot, you’ve been EGT’d!

[stylin19a]

addendum #2

my better angel just tested positive for COVID - they used the RT-PCR test.
She had her 2nd jab last march. Only good thing is, she postponed her booster.
Her fever is gone and her oxygen is @ 96. She has aches but no cold or flu like symptoms.

Waiting on my son’s results.

[Svartalfiar]

If you read my post, you would know you don't have to broach even that aspect of the subject. And you would also know I agree with you on that.

Your big post I responded to didn't really bring it up.

And you are correct on one point: They can't force you to take an injection. But they can (and will) restrict your movement in the circumstances I describe below.

And I will say-It DOES make a difference, if you don't, I don't think you are thinking it through. One of the roles of a Constitutional Republic like ours is to provide security. If there were a 90% fatality rate from those who contract some disease and it was highly contagious, you could be sure there would be all kinds of efforts by any organized government (or people if there was no functioning government) to keep infected people out, Constitution or not. And of that, I have zero doubt. People would not only be doing it in their own homes and neighborhoods (keeping people out with firearms, etc.) but at a local and likely national level as well.

Well certainly, but there's a big difference between vetting outsiders, vs imposing draconian controls on your subjects. And yes, I agree that if the situation were different, people would be taking many of these measures on their own. But that still doesn't change what the government is permitted to do.
But those issues run much deeper - government misinformation wouldn't be such an issue if a large portion of the populace was able to think critically and actually learnt civics in school. Being able to look at alternate sources of news / information is such a rare skill, unfortunately.

[rlmorel]

"...But those issues run much deeper - government misinformation wouldn't be such an issue if a large portion of the populace was able to think critically and actually learnt civics in school. Being able to look at alternate sources of news / information is such a rare skill, unfortunately..."

One of the positive things about all this BS over the last 25 years for me is that I have completely disregarded the media as a source of any kind of information.

Of course, the "downside" of not sitting there with your mouth agape just absorbing what they want you to know is that you have to take time to look at information, evaluate the relevance, quality, and accuracy, and actually think about how it fits together, and it takes time.

On the other hand, there is indeed an upside, and that is that you not only have to really look at things, you learn a lot, every day in the process.

I can live with that.

[Alas Babylon!]

I am similar to you. Both Pfizer shots. No booster. No to mandates.

But starting on Wednesday, I started getting sick. I have Covid. My daughter and her boyfriend were here for late Christmas, and she started coughing on Monday. She tested positive on yesterday and they’ve gone home, leaving me sick.

I’m not getting tested, it is silly. She spent 12 hours in the ER on Wednesday, just to get confirmed. I don’t need to wait all day to be likewise told.

[rfreedom4u]

Same here. I don’t know anyone who’s died from it. I know several (including myself) who’ve had it and recovered though.