out of curiousity.
I am going to take it that you supported America getting her independance, yes.
\Do you not support the south getting her independance and do you support fighting those who do not want to live with you?
Not to go back and forth like the usual trolls but was wondering about that.
i’ve never seen the point to fight people and force them to live with you.
Hell even if my own family or a member wants to go it alone then all means go.
Even today if the north east, or say the wst coast wants to leave then so beit, no point killing hundreds of thousands to make them live with you.
Oh, dear me, where to begin?
If you have followed these CW threads in the past, you've already seen repeatedly most all of the arguments available on either side.
So I can't make a new argument, just restate what's been said here before...
Our Founders provided no Constitutional mechanisms for secession, but their writings -- their Original Intent -- on the subject are clear and consistent.
"Disunion", "dissolving the compact", "secession" or whatever other name was used, this was acceptable as with any other contract, by "mutual consent" or by "usurpations" or "oppressions" having that same effect -- those were James Madison's words. Others used similar formulas.
Madison said that secession "at pleasure" was not authorized by the Constitution.
In November 1860, when South Carolina first called for its Secession Convention, there was neither "mutual consent" nor "usurpations" justifying secession, and so slave-states began to secede "at pleasure".
But secession itself did not cause Civil War.
Indeed, in March 1861, in his inaugural address, President Lincoln announced there could be no war unless the seceding states started it.
And, of course, that's exactly what they did.
Beginning sometimes even before their formal declarations of secession, secessionists committed many acts of rebellion, insurrection and war against the United States, seizing dozens of major Federal properties, threatening and firing on Federal officers, and finally on April 15, 1861 attacking and seizing by force the Federal Fort Sumter.
Three weeks later (May 6, 1861) the Confederacy formally declared war on the United States -- all this at a time when no Union army had "invaded" seceding states and no Confederate soldier had been killed in battle.
So the reason for the Civil War was that the Confederacy wanted war, started war and then formally declared war on the United States.
Obviously, the Confederacy expected to win its war, and early on its confidence seemed justified.
But long-term, northern numbers, industry and leadership overwhelmed the rebellion and demonstrated for all time that the Confederates' methods for declaring their secession is not acceptable constitutionally.
Constitutional methods for seceding remain as our Founders intended: by mutual consent -- through Congress and/or the Supreme Court -- or by "usurpations" or "oppressions" having that same effect.
The south had independence within the federal union.
The colonies that became the various states declared independence after the English began conducting war against them, as stated in the Declaration of Independence.
Breaking political bounds may have good reasons, and may have bad reasons. In 1776 the reasons were good. In 1860 the reasons were bad, so bad that southern partisans today have to lie about them.