Oh, dear me, where to begin?
If you have followed these CW threads in the past, you've already seen repeatedly most all of the arguments available on either side.
So I can't make a new argument, just restate what's been said here before...
Our Founders provided no Constitutional mechanisms for secession, but their writings -- their Original Intent -- on the subject are clear and consistent.
"Disunion", "dissolving the compact", "secession" or whatever other name was used, this was acceptable as with any other contract, by "mutual consent" or by "usurpations" or "oppressions" having that same effect -- those were James Madison's words. Others used similar formulas.
Madison said that secession "at pleasure" was not authorized by the Constitution.
In November 1860, when South Carolina first called for its Secession Convention, there was neither "mutual consent" nor "usurpations" justifying secession, and so slave-states began to secede "at pleasure".
But secession itself did not cause Civil War.
Indeed, in March 1861, in his inaugural address, President Lincoln announced there could be no war unless the seceding states started it.
And, of course, that's exactly what they did.
Beginning sometimes even before their formal declarations of secession, secessionists committed many acts of rebellion, insurrection and war against the United States, seizing dozens of major Federal properties, threatening and firing on Federal officers, and finally on April 15, 1861 attacking and seizing by force the Federal Fort Sumter.
Three weeks later (May 6, 1861) the Confederacy formally declared war on the United States -- all this at a time when no Union army had "invaded" seceding states and no Confederate soldier had been killed in battle.
So the reason for the Civil War was that the Confederacy wanted war, started war and then formally declared war on the United States.
Obviously, the Confederacy expected to win its war, and early on its confidence seemed justified.
But long-term, northern numbers, industry and leadership overwhelmed the rebellion and demonstrated for all time that the Confederates' methods for declaring their secession is not acceptable constitutionally.
Constitutional methods for seceding remain as our Founders intended: by mutual consent -- through Congress and/or the Supreme Court -- or by "usurpations" or "oppressions" having that same effect.
Thanks for that reply but I was hoping an answer to the questions.
just asked,\\
do you think that it;s right to fight people and kill them in order to force them to live with you?
Also I take it seeing as you did not answer is that you support America fighting for independance but do you not support the south having their independance and instead you would fight to force them to live with you?