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To: KC_Lion
KC_Lion: "Maybe NEITHER was in the right."

Most people who've bought into neo-Confederate propaganda don't even know that the Confederacy first started the war, by seizing many Federal properties, culminating at Fort Sumter in April 1861, then three weeks later formally declared war on the United States.

Before the Confederacy's declaration of war (May 6, 1861), no Union force "invaded" the Confederacy, and no Confederate soldier had been killed in battle against the United States.

In all of history, very few entities have formally declared war on the United States, but in no case has it ended well for those who did.

151 posted on 08/31/2012 8:56:10 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: BroJoeK

out of curiousity.

I am going to take it that you supported America getting her independance, yes.
\Do you not support the south getting her independance and do you support fighting those who do not want to live with you?

Not to go back and forth like the usual trolls but was wondering about that.

i’ve never seen the point to fight people and force them to live with you.
Hell even if my own family or a member wants to go it alone then all means go.

Even today if the north east, or say the wst coast wants to leave then so beit, no point killing hundreds of thousands to make them live with you.


154 posted on 08/31/2012 9:50:55 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: BroJoeK

“the confederacy first started the war, by seizing many federal properties, culminating at fort Sumter”

That’s a weird way to put it, since it wasn’t actually until at Sumter that it was treated as a cause of war, or rather until Lincoln was president. Not that I won’t agree the South started it, no matter in what bad faith did the North negotiate. What “it’ is, though, is not the war as we know it. The federals were within their rights to regain their property and punish the South for firing upon and stealing Sumter and the rest. Or, if not to retake to accept compensation. They were not entitled to invade and occupy forevermore.

“Before the confederacy’s declaration of war, no union force ‘invaded’ the confederacy”

No, but I’m curious as to why you narrow it to an invasion? Because you must know Lincoln called up the militia for invasion. Also, that was after the North blockaded Southern ports. Last time I checked blockades are acts of war. When SCOTUS itself went back to determine when the war actually started it picked the blockade, not Sumter.


246 posted on 09/13/2012 2:32:23 AM PDT by Tublecane
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