Posted on 01/26/2011 5:57:29 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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| Tim Adams |
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So, obviously you’re not qualified either.
Birthers who don't believe he was born in Hawaii believe he was born in Kenya.
If not Hawaii, where do you think he was born?
You're not referring to that nonsense from Polarik, are you?
nd the state of Hawaii has never confirmed that it came from them.
The state of Hawaii confirmed that the birthplace listed on it is correct.
I am curious as to what school you attended when you took your 10th grade civics class or at least what city and state it was in as Civics classes aren’t taught in every city and state across the country. Was it a public school or a private one? How old are you? (a ball park age would be fine, just so we can understand your thinking on this matter).
Okay. How's this: I don't vote in Chicago elections because I'm not registered to vote in Chicago. I am not registered to vote there because I don't live there.
I never made any such claim, you did. PROVE IT!
The state of Hawaii has never confirmed that it came from them! The BC posted has been shown to be a fraud by multiple experts and you know it.
I just found this in my notes regarding the statute that allows for the registration of a child born outside of Hawaii. I don’t remember where I copied this information from, but I beleive this was the statute that I read in detail and from which I concluded that a short form birth certificate was insufficient evidence.
“Hawaii Revised Statute 338-178 allows registration of birth in Hawaii for a child that was born outside of Hawaii to parents who, for a year preceding the child’s birth, claimed Hawaii as their place of residence. Statute 338 is in substance and 178 are minor revisions.The Certificate of Hawaiian Birth program was established in 1911, during the territorial era, to register a person born in Hawaii who was one year old or older and whose birth had NOT been previously registered in Hawaii.
Since Hawaii issues “Certificates of Live Birth” to children not born in Hawaii and “Birth Certificates” to children who are born in Hawaii, the only way to know where Hussein Obama was actually born is to view Hussein Obama’s original birth certificate from 1961 that shows the name of the hospital and the name and signature of the doctor that delivered him.”
With regard to Maya’s certificate, I do not recall ever seeing the actual certificate online myself, just reading several references that it had been posted online. There was at least one example I did see posted online of an individual who was not born in Hawaii and had a Hawaiian birth certificate, however.
The law that went into effect in 1982 is irrelevant since Obama was born in 1961 before this law was in effect. His birth could have been registered by the grandparents with the Health department in 1961 and we don’t know what proof if any they would have shown to the health officials.
I took civics at an secular private high school in southern California. Before that, I took it at a Catholic junior high school. Like everyone else, I learned that a natural born citizen is anyone who is born a citizen. That means anyone born in the USA, unless the child of diplomats or invaders or some other class not subject to US jurisdiction, is a natural born citizen. Likewise, anyone born of citizen parents abroad is also a natural born citizen.
Every single civics textbook used in the USA over the last 100 years that addressed the subject defines it the same way.
This wasn't controversial until the birthers started making the two-citizen parent argument after Obama's election. Don't you find it strange that no one was making it before?
How old are you?
34. You?
Your conclusion is incorrect.
Hawaii Revised Statute 338-178 allows registration of birth in Hawaii for a child that was born outside of Hawaii to parents who, for a year preceding the child’s birth, claimed Hawaii as their place of residence.
Yes, that's the statute passed in 1982 that I was talking about. It was not on the books in 1961 when Obama's birth was registered, and hence, as you say below, not relevant.
The Certificate of Hawaiian Birth program was established in 1911, during the territorial era, to register a person born in Hawaii who was one year old or older and whose birth had NOT been previously registered in Hawaii.
Also not applicable to Obama, since he was only four days old when his birth was registered.
With regard to Maya’s certificate, I do not recall ever seeing the actual certificate online myself
That's because she doesn't have one. The rumor that she does was just made up by someone.
There was at least one example I did see posted online of an individual who was not born in Hawaii and had a Hawaiian birth certificate, however.
Are you talking about Sun Yat Sen? Used fraud to illegally obtain one of those Certificates of Hawaiian Birth mentioned above, something which we know Obama does not have, his birth having been registered when he was four days old.
The law that went into effect in 1982 is irrelevant since Obama was born in 1961 before this law was in effect.
Correct. That would be Hawaii Revised Statute 338-178. Proir to that law, there was no provision under which foreing-born children could have their births registered in Hawaii.
His birth could have been registered by the grandparents with the Health department in 1961 and we don’t know what proof if any they would have shown to the health officials.
So you are alleging that his grandparents comitted fraud. Do you have any evidence? Do you even have a plausible motive?
Well according to El Sordo those legal fees don’t mean they all went to the BC defense.....
Haven’t heard that one before...
(Seems like the latest in lame defenses IMO)
WHY???
I’m 53 years young!
I find it hard to beleive that you have read through every civics textbook used in the last 100 years. Not all schools even had civics classes and I am sure many schools had old textbooks or none at all used for these classes. I learned about the Constitution in my US History classes and social studies classes. I attended a Catholic grade school for 7 years where I first discussed the Constitution, Bill of Right’s etc., a public middle school for one year, a public high school, and went to school at three different colleges part time at night to earn my degrees while I worked full time during the day. My entire education was in the state of Oregon, which was actually a far more conservative state then, than it is now. It was in these settings that I was taught that a “natural born citizen” was a child born in the U.S. to two parents who were U.S. Citizens.
We often did not use text books with regard to learning about the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, etc. We used transcriptions of the actual documents, and sometimes government pamphlets and copies of other historical documents. We didn’t have textbooks for many of our classes such as reading, writing, U.S. History and even math, since the teachers didn’t need textbooks to teach us those subjects, they simply knew the material. Homework assignments were usually typed up by the teachers and mimeographed off for us to take home and complete. In my earlier grades we had an atlas style book to use for social studies and even that was quite out of date, so we spent a lot of time at the county library doing research projects on a specific country and then made presentations ourselves to our classmates. We also had 50 students in each of my classes from first through seventh grade and we all learned quite well. The public schools had fewer students for most of my classes, however, there were still far more per class then than there is in most classes today.
Even in high school our text books were quite old and the teachers hardly used them except for math classes. It wasn’t until I got to college that I had textbooks that were fairly current and even then many of them were reprints of older text books.
We were taught not to beleive everything in a textbook because it might not be accurate or unbiased but to research things for ourselves and to use original sources whenever possible. When a person reads the “natural born citizen clause” after reading other texts like the Federalist papers, correspondence between our founders and other early historical documents it only makes sense that to be a “Natural born citizen” one would need to be born in the United States and be the child of two U.S. citizens.
At 34 and growing up in California I would suggest to you that you still have a lot to learn about life in more conservative parts of the country. I do not profess to know everything even at my age and I have almost 20 years on you. Learning is a continual process throughout a person’s life and few people ever stop learning.
NO, new speaker Boehner would be next President!!!
It would not surprise me if John Roberts is already sitting on that b.c.!!!
Good question. Let's have a look at the long form and find out, instead of relying on assumptions and incredulity?
If not, I hope the trend in Arizona continues to other states.
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