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To: Flamenco Lady
but I beleive this was the statute that I read in detail and from which I concluded that a short form birth certificate was insufficient evidence.

Your conclusion is incorrect.

Hawaii Revised Statute 338-178 allows registration of birth in Hawaii for a child that was born outside of Hawaii to parents who, for a year preceding the child’s birth, claimed Hawaii as their place of residence.

Yes, that's the statute passed in 1982 that I was talking about. It was not on the books in 1961 when Obama's birth was registered, and hence, as you say below, not relevant.

The Certificate of Hawaiian Birth program was established in 1911, during the territorial era, to register a person born in Hawaii who was one year old or older and whose birth had NOT been previously registered in Hawaii.

Also not applicable to Obama, since he was only four days old when his birth was registered.

With regard to Maya’s certificate, I do not recall ever seeing the actual certificate online myself

That's because she doesn't have one. The rumor that she does was just made up by someone.

There was at least one example I did see posted online of an individual who was not born in Hawaii and had a Hawaiian birth certificate, however.

Are you talking about Sun Yat Sen? Used fraud to illegally obtain one of those Certificates of Hawaiian Birth mentioned above, something which we know Obama does not have, his birth having been registered when he was four days old.

The law that went into effect in 1982 is irrelevant since Obama was born in 1961 before this law was in effect.

Correct. That would be Hawaii Revised Statute 338-178. Proir to that law, there was no provision under which foreing-born children could have their births registered in Hawaii.

His birth could have been registered by the grandparents with the Health department in 1961 and we don’t know what proof if any they would have shown to the health officials.

So you are alleging that his grandparents comitted fraud. Do you have any evidence? Do you even have a plausible motive?

172 posted on 01/26/2011 5:18:39 PM PST by curiosity
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To: curiosity
So you are alleging that his grandparents comitted fraud. Do you have any evidence? Do you even have a plausible motive?

Why don't you learn how to read before you make another post here, Braniac?

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To: Retired Intelligence Officer

LOL. The poor quality of birther reading comprehension skills never ceases to amaze me. Rush is saying they got an imposter into the EQUIVALENT of the White House in AFGANISTATN.

22 posted on Tuesday, November 23, 2010 6:53:11 PM by curiosity
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2632107/posts?page=22#22

192 posted on 01/26/2011 10:38:57 PM PST by Chunga (Go, Sarah, GO!! - Jim Robinson)
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To: curiosity

At this point I am not going to discuss anything further with regard to whether Obama was born in Hawaii or not, because I don’t have time to chase down all of your objections, and it doesn’t really matter if he was born in the U.S. or outside the U.S. Either way in my opinion, he is ineligible because he is not a “natural born citizen”. That has been my belief since I first learned he was running for president and I started to read about him.

At the time of Obama’s birth the person he claims to be his father Kenyan and was a British subject from birth. This much was stated on at least one of Obama’s campaign related websites as well as other websites discussing his eligibility. There are multiple times this has been attested to by Obama himself, his wife, and his campaigns through the years.

Since his father was not a U.S. citizen at the time Obama was born, he does not have two parents who were U.S. citizens at the time of his birth and therefore is not a natural born citizen.

This interpretation was what was taught in schools for years prior to your birth, and is clearly the only correct interpretation of the “natural born citizen” clause if one takes the time to read the constitution and other related documents from the time period that this clause was written in my opinion.


230 posted on 01/27/2011 9:11:51 AM PST by Flamenco Lady
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