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Abe Lincoln was a dictator??? (Need Help combating loony argument)

Posted on 04/19/2010 8:18:35 AM PDT by erod

Hi FRiends,

I have two brothers who I love very much, they’re young and libertarian Ron Paul supporters, sigh. We get along and I’m hoping that one day they’ll come back to conservatism, but they have bought into a theory that I don’t think makes much sense:

Abe Lincoln was a dictator.

There are many websites dedicated to this nonsense you can Google "Abe Lincoln dictator" and get some weird stuff, if you want to check it out.

I need your help in busting this myth are there any books I can read on this subject to dispel this stuff? Do you know any of the arguments to combat this nonsense? Ie. Lincoln did not want to free the slaves.

Thanks for taking time out of your day to help me out, -Erod


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To: cowboyway

nice picture of Mr.H.K. , Met him once outside of Montgomery,Alabama on his march to Texas.


861 posted on 04/23/2010 11:19:14 AM PDT by piroque
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To: central_va
General question: If it were proven that Obama faked his credentials in order to fool people into thinking that he was born in Hawaii and that he is in fact not Constitutionally eligible to be POTUS, would a court martial of LTC Lakin stand??

I have no doubt that it would.

862 posted on 04/23/2010 12:40:40 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: central_va
I am not in the mood to exchange with a clairvoyant who knows that nobody in the South was grateful for the service of confed. blacks during the War of Northern Aggression.

Considering the laws put in place following the War of Southern Rebellion it's hard to see how anyone did show any gratitude.

Cleary, my expressing gratititude in no way reflects the feelings of those that lived 140+ yrs ago.

I've no doubt of that.

All I can do is read letters and look at photos of old men who seem to be decorated at reunions by somebody- who?

Hard to say.

863 posted on 04/23/2010 12:42:44 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: mojitojoe
SO homos are another of your obsessions huh?

No, that's your particular phobia. One has to wonder why?

864 posted on 04/23/2010 12:45:55 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

No, it’s one of yours. You are for gay marriage, DODT and all that good stuff. One has to wonder why you are so obsessed with gays and so obsessed with saying others are obsessed with it. I guess it pisses you off that YOUR little president is gay and always will be. His wife is 3 times the man he will ever be. THAT’s what you’re really pissed about isn’t it Caractacus..... or is it Bob?
P*ss off you pathetic little troll. It must really bug you to be called a troll by our Southern Navy Seal here on FR. LMAO!


865 posted on 04/23/2010 1:11:58 PM PDT by mojitojoe (“Our leaders seek to pit us against one another, and torment us relentlessly."Mark Levin)
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To: manc

Time is nothing, people change and their views change over time but what I do not get is if someone does not like the south nor southerners then why keep coming on threads where it is about the south
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To fight, try to enrage others, hope to make them lose it and then get them banned so they can silence them. Take a little stroll through non-sequitur’s past posts on FR. He came in fighting and is still fighting. He is a no life loser than gets off on fighting on the internet. He hate Texas, Bush, Palin, loves Jon Stewart, hates the South and anyone that lives there, loves gays, believes the Constitution is a living breathing document and is always trying to change the meaning of it. I could go on and on. Of course every once in a while he reminds us that he is a conservative. He has to state it because his posting history sure as hell doesn’t show that. His posts speak for themselves.


866 posted on 04/23/2010 1:16:26 PM PDT by mojitojoe (“Our leaders seek to pit us against one another, and torment us relentlessly."Mark Levin)
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To: mojitojoe

if he likes all that then no wonder I never agree with it about anything

do us a favor please and that is ping me to these kind of treads if you ever see them and I’m not on


867 posted on 04/23/2010 2:00:00 PM PDT by manc (WILL OBAMA EVER GO TO CHURCH ON A SUNDAY OR WILL HE LET THE MEDIA BE FOOLED FOR EVER)
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To: mojitojoe
One has to wonder why you are so obsessed with gays and so obsessed with saying others are obsessed with it.

One could more properly wonder the same about you.

868 posted on 04/23/2010 3:24:01 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: central_va
You are a race baiter, no better than Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson et al. Sad.

You're wrong. But where is the surprise in that?

869 posted on 04/23/2010 3:43:48 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: mojitojoe
His wife is 3 times the man he will ever be.

Yet another thing you have in common with Obama, along with a basic inability to tell the truth about anything.

870 posted on 04/23/2010 3:51:27 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur; southernsunshine; manc; Idabilly; cowboyway; BP2; MHGinTN

I’m not the one posting on FR 24/7 and looking for threads that I can be sure to find a fight. YOU are and have been since the day you joined. You come here for one reason, to go on threads where you can pick a fight. You cannot deny that. PERIOD! Your past history is there for all to see and it speaks for itself.


871 posted on 04/23/2010 6:20:29 PM PDT by mojitojoe (“Our leaders seek to pit us against one another, and torment us relentlessly."Mark Levin)
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To: mac_truck
She got her butt royally kicked.....and sand in her hoo-hoo ;)
873 posted on 04/23/2010 9:13:24 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: manc

Will do. :) Have a great weekend.


874 posted on 04/23/2010 11:01:45 PM PDT by mojitojoe (“Our leaders seek to pit us against one another, and torment us relentlessly."Mark Levin)
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To: manc
or maybe these kind of ignorant to history and black confederates come to my town and see the graves of black confederates

How about posting some photos of those graves and save us the travel expenses?

While you're at it you might also post an explaination of how you came to 'know' the graves contain black confederates.

875 posted on 04/24/2010 5:15:19 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: mac_truck
Historical fact: There were soldiers in the P.A.C.S. Why do you Neo-Yanks have such a hard time with that? I never thought it such a big deal, apparently it throws you guys in a hissy fit. Why?


876 posted on 04/24/2010 5:41:46 AM PDT by central_va ( http://www.15thvirginia.org)
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To: mac_truck

Thanks to all that served in the P.A.C.S. regardless of race, creed , etc.

877 posted on 04/24/2010 5:44:01 AM PDT by central_va ( http://www.15thvirginia.org)
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To: mojitojoe
I’m not the one posting on FR 24/7 and looking for threads that I can be sure to find a fight.

And yet there ya'll were, you and the other stooges spending all day yesterday wondering where I was. And half the evening, too. And speaking of obsessed, you can look at my posts for the past week or the past month and find dozens of other topics I've posted on. Look at Idabooby's posts and you have to go back almost a month before you can find a single topic not related to the rebellion that he posted on. That's obsession, not to mention more Lost Cause hypocrisy. And that is exactly why dealing with you jackasses is so amusing. You accuse me of doing nothing during the work day but posting on FR - yet you morons are right there all day with me. You accuse me of obsessing on the rebellion, yet you morons are right there trading post for post. You accuse me of hatred of the South - yet your hatred for the U.S. in general and the North in particular surpasses anything I've ever posted. You accuse me of obsessing on race, and for the last two days your boobs have done little but post revisionist nonsense on how much the service of these mythical masses of black confederates was appreciated. And the funniest part of it all is the fact that you all don't realize just how stupid all that makes you appear.

878 posted on 04/24/2010 5:55:18 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: central_va
Historical fact: There were soldiers in the P.A.C.S.

There sure were. A few hundred were rounded up and put into the ranks between March 1865, when the confederate congress authorized it, and the time the confederacy collapsed.

Why do you Neo-Yanks have such a hard time with that? I never thought it such a big deal, apparently it throws you guys in a hissy fit. Why?

It's not the fact that there were blacks in the confederate ranks - nobody denies that. It's the fact that you Lost Causers constantly overstate their numbers and repeat the myth that their service was recognized and appreciated by their white confederate compatriots that have us shaking our heads and trying to correct the myths.

879 posted on 04/24/2010 5:59:51 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: central_va
All I see in your unsourced photograph are manservants.

Where are their WEAPONS?

880 posted on 04/24/2010 6:08:01 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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