Posted on 04/19/2010 8:18:35 AM PDT by erod
Hi FRiends,
I have two brothers who I love very much, they’re young and libertarian Ron Paul supporters, sigh. We get along and I’m hoping that one day they’ll come back to conservatism, but they have bought into a theory that I don’t think makes much sense:
Abe Lincoln was a dictator.
There are many websites dedicated to this nonsense you can Google "Abe Lincoln dictator" and get some weird stuff, if you want to check it out.
I need your help in busting this myth are there any books I can read on this subject to dispel this stuff? Do you know any of the arguments to combat this nonsense? Ie. Lincoln did not want to free the slaves.
Thanks for taking time out of your day to help me out, -Erod
Several apparently, and I'm on all of them. I wonder if they trade their lists back and forth?
When it comes to blatant disregard of the constitution Lincoln doesn't even come close to Jeff Davis and the confederate congress. They didn't even try to hide their contempt for the rule of law.
As usual, it was economics and power and trade that killed all those young boys.
And slavery didn't even enter in to it, right?
As I mentioned in this thread or another, any State that wants to secede from the Union should be allowed to, especially now that the Fedgov is becoming more intrusive in our lives.
And I would agree. So long as it is done in a manner that is fair to both sides.
You don't have mine.......er......I mean my bosses.
I'm betting truck_stop could suck start Mack truck.
So what you are saying all the field reportd are lies. Damn Yankee Officer Corp nothing but a bunch of damn liars...
I'll give you credit for producing evidence there were black men fighting alongside southerners, but not as soldiers in the AOC.
Lt. Col. Parkhurst , what a liar....
tonka_truck,
Please note in this passage where in 1890, Mr. Harris speaks of wearing the gray, the same as his master.
” In Mississippi on Feb. 1, 1890 an appropriation for a monument to the Confederate dead was being considered. A delegate had just spoken against the bill, when John F. Harris, a Negro Republican delegate from Washington, County, rose to speak:
“Mr. Speaker! I have arisen here in my place to offer a few words on the bill. I have come from a sick bed. Perhaps it was not prudent for me to come. But sir, I could not rest quietly in my room without contributing a few remarks of my own. I was sorry to hear the speech of the young gentlemen from Marshall County. I am sorry that any son of a soldier should go on record as opposed to the erection of a monument in honor of the brave dead. And, Sir, I am convinced that had he seen what I saw at Seven Pines, and in the Seven Day’s fighting around Richmond, the battlefield covered with the mangled forms of those who fought for their country and for their country’s honor, he would not have made the speech. When the news came that the South had been invaded, those men went forth to fight for what they believed, and they made no requests for monuments. But they died, and their virtues should be remembered. Sir, I went with them. I, too, wore the gray, the same color my master wore. We stayed four long years, and if that war had gone on till now I would have been there yet. I want to honor those brave men who died for their convictions. When my mother died I was a boy. Who, Sir, then acted the part of a mother to the orphaned slave boy, but my old MISSUS! Were she living now, or could speak to me from those high realms where are gathered the sainted dead, she would tell me to vote for this bill. And, Sir, I shall vote for it. I want it known to all the world that my vote is given in favor of the bill to erect a monument in HONOR OF THE CONFEDERATE DEAD.”
When the applause died down, the measure passed overwhelmingly, and every Negro member voted “AYE”.
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Also, had you bothered to read the link I provided you would have found this:
“It is difficult to determine how many blacks fought in the Confederate forces, in part because many Confederate records were destroyed. Kennedy estimates seven percent to eight percent of the Confederate forces might have been black.
Kennedy cites a number of sources, including diaries, letters, private publications, the “Official Records of the War of the Rebellion” and writings of black scholars.
For instance:
.. A Union sanitary commission officer saw 3,000 black armed combatants in the Confederate Army moving through Fredricksburg, Va., in 1862.
.. An 1862 letter from Frederick Douglass to President Abraham Lincoln in which Douglass writes that many blacks serve in the Confederate Army as “real soldiers having muskets on their shoulders and bullets in their pockets, ready to shoot down and do all that soldiers may do to destroy the Federal government.”
.. Pensions were paid to black Confederate soldiers.
.. And photographs showed black veterans, who “wore their veterans badges as proudly as any whites.”
Blacks served in the Confederate Army “for the same reason they defended the United States colonies in the Revolutionary War,” Kennedy said. “They were patriots,” who thought their homes were being invaded by the Union. They felt like this was their home, that this was their country. They weren’t fighting for slavery.”
The black Confederates were a combination of free blacks and slaves who were house servants accompanying white masters, Kennedy said. Confederate Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest freed 44 of his slaves after they served Forrest’s cavalry forces, Kennedy said. Unlike blacks in the Union Army who served in all-black regiments, blacks in the Confederate Army fought in mixed units, he said.”
Now note the statement; “Kennedy cites a number of sources, including diaries, letters, private publications, the “Official Records of the War of the Rebellion” and writings of black scholars.”
I’m not looking up the citations for you. Get off your “grits” and do it yourself.
Would you like to tell the black Confederate soldiers that they weren’t really soldiers, b/c they weren’t soldiers in the AOC? Are you telling us that mixed units don’t qualify a black man to be a soldier? Kind of like you want us to believe that buglers and drummers weren’t soldiers. Should we have segregated the troops? Would that make them more of a soldier?
Back at it again, I see, Squat-to-Post - posting historical documentation rather than idiotic invective (or is it the other way around?)...
;>)
“There were also many negroes attached to the Texas and Georgia troops,....”
Virginia,
If I’m not mistaken there actually was an all black unit out of Texas. Let me look.
N-S: And yet here you are, bothering me in spite of that.
I have no doubt that Salamander is just 'honoring' your own screen name - and your identical track record. You really should give thanks...
;>)
“Nice site.”
Thanks for the link, Salamander:)
You’re quite welcome....:)
Salamander
[who is a SHE for those who are too lazy or stupid to check]
They got any mountains in Texas?
I gotta have mountains.
I speak fluent east Texan because the same Scots/Irish who came down the Apps went there, too.
[just setting up my “needful” parameters, ahead of time]...:)
Check out Fort Davis; if I remember correctly, it's the highest location in Texas. Very nice area - my wife & I owned a little property there once, and had hoped to retire there at one time. Alpine is also nice, as is Marfa, which was becoming something of an artists' community a few years back.
Anyway you cut it, they're nice folks, who just naturally live up to the Texas State motto: "Friendship." If you don't like waving at the driver of another truck (or car ;>) when you pass on the highway, don't go there...
;>)
OMG.....we do the same waving thing here!
When hubby came to live here, he’d always ask “Who the hell was that?” if somebody waved and I’d answer “Beats me. Wave back”....:)
[say...isn’t Marfa where they have those ‘spook lights’?]
I forgot to include the bio for the quotes in the 2nd half of my post @ 1089.
“Civil War Historian Ed Kennedy is a retired lieutenant colonel in the Army and a former instructor of history at the U.S. Army Command and General Staff College at Fort Leavenworth. He teaches Army Reserve Officer Training Corps classes at Leavenworth High School and is co-owner of Historical Leadership Seminars, a private company that takes corporate executives to battlefields to teach leadership and decision-making skills.”
VA - I’m still looking thru TX books and papers.
It is Lincolns fault we have Obama as President!
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