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To: central_va
No, I'm saying the black men they encountered on the battlefield were slaves, manservants, cooks, drummers, liveries, etc.

I'll give you credit for producing evidence there were black men fighting alongside southerners, but not as soldiers in the AOC.

1,086 posted on 04/26/2010 3:26:07 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: mac_truck
2. Federal Official Records, Series I, Vol XVI Part I, pg. 805, Lt. Col. Parkhurst's Report (Ninth Michigan Infantry) on General Forrest's attack at Murfreesboro, Tenn, July 13, 1862: "The forces attacking my camp were the First Regiment Texas Rangers, Colonel Wharton, and a battalion of the First Georgia Rangers, Colonel Morrison, and a large number of citizens of Rutherford County, many of whom had recently taken the oath of allegiance to the United States Government. There were also many negroes attached to the Texas and Georgia troops,

who were armed and equipped, and took part in the several engagements with my forces during the day.

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1,087 posted on 04/26/2010 3:40:24 PM PDT by central_va ( http://www.15thvirginia.org)
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To: mac_truck
2. Federal Official Records, Series I, Vol XVI Part I, pg. 805, Lt. Col. Parkhurst's Report (Ninth Michigan Infantry) on General Forrest's attack at Murfreesboro, Tenn, July 13, 1862: "The forces attacking my camp were the First Regiment Texas Rangers, Colonel Wharton, and a battalion of the First Georgia Rangers, Colonel Morrison, and a large number of citizens of Rutherford County, many of whom had recently taken the oath of allegiance to the United States Government. There were also many negroes attached to the Texas and Georgia troops,

who were armed and equipped, and took part in the several engagements with my forces during the day.

"

Lt. Col. Parkhurst , what a liar....

1,088 posted on 04/26/2010 3:41:05 PM PDT by central_va ( http://www.15thvirginia.org)
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To: mac_truck; central_va

tonka_truck,

Please note in this passage where in 1890, Mr. Harris speaks of wearing the gray, the same as his master.

” In Mississippi on Feb. 1, 1890 an appropriation for a monument to the Confederate dead was being considered. A delegate had just spoken against the bill, when John F. Harris, a Negro Republican delegate from Washington, County, rose to speak:

“Mr. Speaker! I have arisen here in my place to offer a few words on the bill. I have come from a sick bed. Perhaps it was not prudent for me to come. But sir, I could not rest quietly in my room without contributing a few remarks of my own. I was sorry to hear the speech of the young gentlemen from Marshall County. I am sorry that any son of a soldier should go on record as opposed to the erection of a monument in honor of the brave dead. And, Sir, I am convinced that had he seen what I saw at Seven Pines, and in the Seven Day’s fighting around Richmond, the battlefield covered with the mangled forms of those who fought for their country and for their country’s honor, he would not have made the speech. When the news came that the South had been invaded, those men went forth to fight for what they believed, and they made no requests for monuments. But they died, and their virtues should be remembered. Sir, I went with them. I, too, wore the gray, the same color my master wore. We stayed four long years, and if that war had gone on till now I would have been there yet. I want to honor those brave men who died for their convictions. When my mother died I was a boy. Who, Sir, then acted the part of a mother to the orphaned slave boy, but my old MISSUS! Were she living now, or could speak to me from those high realms where are gathered the sainted dead, she would tell me to vote for this bill. And, Sir, I shall vote for it. I want it known to all the world that my vote is given in favor of the bill to erect a monument in HONOR OF THE CONFEDERATE DEAD.”

When the applause died down, the measure passed overwhelmingly, and every Negro member voted “AYE”.
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Also, had you bothered to read the link I provided you would have found this:

“It is difficult to determine how many blacks fought in the Confederate forces, in part because many Confederate records were destroyed. Kennedy estimates seven percent to eight percent of the Confederate forces might have been black.

Kennedy cites a number of sources, including diaries, letters, private publications, the “Official Records of the War of the Rebellion” and writings of black scholars.

For instance:

.. A Union sanitary commission officer saw 3,000 black armed combatants in the Confederate Army moving through Fredricksburg, Va., in 1862.

.. An 1862 letter from Frederick Douglass to President Abraham Lincoln in which Douglass writes that many blacks serve in the Confederate Army as “real soldiers having muskets on their shoulders and bullets in their pockets, ready to shoot down and do all that soldiers may do to destroy the Federal government.”

.. Pensions were paid to black Confederate soldiers.

.. And photographs showed black veterans, who “wore their veterans badges as proudly as any whites.”

Blacks served in the Confederate Army “for the same reason they defended the United States colonies in the Revolutionary War,” Kennedy said. “They were patriots,” who thought their homes were being invaded by the Union. They felt like this was their home, that this was their country. They weren’t fighting for slavery.”

The black Confederates were a combination of free blacks and slaves who were house servants accompanying white masters, Kennedy said. Confederate Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest freed 44 of his slaves after they served Forrest’s cavalry forces, Kennedy said. Unlike blacks in the Union Army who served in all-black regiments, blacks in the Confederate Army fought in mixed units, he said.”

Now note the statement; “Kennedy cites a number of sources, including diaries, letters, private publications, the “Official Records of the War of the Rebellion” and writings of black scholars.”

I’m not looking up the citations for you. Get off your “grits” and do it yourself.

Would you like to tell the black Confederate soldiers that they weren’t really soldiers, b/c they weren’t soldiers in the AOC? Are you telling us that mixed units don’t qualify a black man to be a soldier? Kind of like you want us to believe that buglers and drummers weren’t soldiers. Should we have segregated the troops? Would that make them more of a soldier?


1,089 posted on 04/26/2010 3:46:14 PM PDT by southernsunshine
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To: mac_truck; central_va; Idabilly; southernsunshine
I'm saying the black men they encountered on the battlefield were slaves, manservants, cooks, drummers, liveries, etc.

Damnyankee propaganda, lies, revisionism and denial continues to rear it's fugly head.

Of course they couldn't report back home to yankeeville that the very blacks that they were trying to rescue were actually shooting back at them! Even as dumb as most yankees are, they would probably eventually figure out that something wasn't quite right, so disHonest Abe's propagandists had to make up the lie that, sure, there were blacks in the Confederate line, but they were just holding horses and polishing boots.

And 145 years later, pack_truck and the rest of the damn yankee coven continue to spread the lie and, if fact, have told it so much that they may actually believe it themselves. (And, of course, this applies to the entire illegal invasion and subsequent occupation of a sovereign nation!)

End the Occupation!
Free Dixie!!

1,135 posted on 04/27/2010 8:35:27 AM PDT by cowboyway (Molon labe)
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