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To: American Dream 246; InspectorSmith; LucyT; hoosiermama
"It is useless in my opinion to insult IS since, until today, NOBODY proved this one is a fake."

I do not believe that I have insulted InspectorSmith in any way.

I am merely pointing out what has kept Smith's CPGH BC from being introduced as evidence that can be relied on in US federal court.

The federal court judge where Lucas Smith filed this BC in an affidavit said that even if Kenyan authorities themselves authenticated it, he, Judge Carter, would have to give judicial preference to a certified HI COLB, should one be placed in evidence and not successfully challenged in some way.

Judge Carter specifically stated that merely placing an authenticated Kenyan BC into evidence, presumably even with testimony from the hospital administrators, it would not be enough to overcome a certified BC from a state in the US in his court. HI says Obama was born there. Kenya might say Obama was born there. Judge Carter says he, as a US judge, would side with HI absent a reason to question the HI COLB.

That's where the original HI vital records and any amendments come in and where Obama could, in theory, be vulnerable.

If HI is relying on amended vital records that originally reported a Kenyan birth, but were subsequently amended with affidavits to show an HI birth, a judge might rule in favor of the Kenyan CPGH BC, if it were authenticated under the FRE.

For example is Stanley Ann filed and affidavit in support of an amended vital record and COLB for Obama in 1982 saying she fooled her mom who had first reported a Kenyan birth (like the Blaine BC) which was reported in the HI newspapers, but Stanley Ann had only "pretended to her mom" to go to Kenya and now recants and says she "actually" stayed in HI the whole time she was pregnant and gave birth out in a pineapple field.

137 posted on 03/05/2010 11:03:52 PM PST by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp

I am so sorry Seizethecarp, I did not really replied to you...sometime I click on reply - it can be abyone, just to open the post page. I apologize for my words. I saw some posts asking for IS to prove with his passport and stuff when he was there et al so I thought that was may be not very important - which is important is to know if we can find a way to authenticate this BC. Sorry for the confusion :-(


140 posted on 03/05/2010 11:10:30 PM PST by American Dream 246 (Open your eyes. Freedom is not a one day fight. Enemies of Freedom are legion.)
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To: Seizethecarp
Judge Carter specifically stated that merely placing an authenticated Kenyan BC into evidence, presumably even with testimony from the hospital administrators, it would not be enough to overcome a certified BC from a state in the US in his court. HI says Obama was born there. Kenya might say Obama was born there. Judge Carter says he, as a US judge, would side with HI absent a reason to question the HI COLB.

So, why wouldn't' the mere fact that an authenticated KBC bring in enough reason to question a HI COLB? If that is pushed, Carter risks an international incident as it is a slap at Kenya.

What about taking this to a Kenyan court and having them declare it's authenticity? Of course that would prove their favorite son is a criminal but it would demand some action and might bring standing in a US court.

163 posted on 03/06/2010 4:46:44 AM PST by bgill (The framers of the US Constitution established an entire federal government in 18 pages.)
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To: Seizethecarp

Obama’s BC was amended during the time he was considering a run for the presidency, if the Hawaii DOH has been honest and accurate in the particular requests in question (which is a big “if”, granted).

I think it’s highly unlikely that SAD had anything to do with either Obama’s original BC or the amendment to it.


219 posted on 03/06/2010 8:29:46 AM PST by butterdezillion
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