DOH indirectly confirms: Factcheck COLB date filed and certificate number impossible

Butterdezillion | Feb 23, 2010 | Butterdezillion

[butterdezillion]

I've updated my blog to include the e-mail from Janice Okubo confirming that they assign birth certificate numbers in the state registrar's office and the day they do that is the "Date filed by state registrar".

The pertinent portion from Okubo's e-mail:

In regards to the terms “date accepted” and “date filed” on a Hawaii birth certificate, the department has no records that define these terms. Historically, the terms “Date accepted by the State Registrar” and “Date filed by the State Registrar” referred to the date a record was received in a Department of Health office (on the island of O’ahu or on the neighbor islands of Kaua’i, Hawai’i, Maui, Moloka’i, or Lana’i), and the date a file number was placed on a record (only done in the main office located on the island of O’ahu) respectively.

MY SUMMARY: As you can see, Okubo said that the “Date filed by the State Registrar” is the date a file number was placed on a record (only done in the main office).

There are no pre-numbered certificates. A certificate given a certificate number on Aug 8th (Obama’s Factcheck COLB) would not be given a later number than a certificate given a number on Aug 11th (the Nordyke certificates).

There is no way that both the date filed and the certificate number can be correct on the Factcheck COLB. The COLB is thus proven to be a forgery.

[EnderWiggins]

"Come off it. Okubo said the “date filed” field on the COLB’s is the date they give the certificate a number at the state registrar’s office."

Sure she did. She also said a bunch of other stuff in that same paragraph that makes no sense and cannot be reconciled with the actual COLBs and long forms that we are all familiar with. You can't just pick out one phrase from a garbled response and pretend that the response is not garbled.

You yourself interpreted her as meaning that COLBs once had two different dates on them, one for accepted and one for filed. We both know that no such COLB version ever existed... certainly you have never seen one. See? Her response was so garbled that she even confused you!!

She clearly does not have any idea of what the process was in 1961, and neither do you. Therefore your elaborate theory of a coded admission of forgery based on this response from her is absurd on its face.

[parsifal]

My hair is darker than that.

parsy, who has a thick skin

[Las Vegas Ron]

Well stated.

Ditto that, and the same goes for all the other disruptor's who show up and troll the BC threads.

[Red Steel]

Over the years, he delivered more than 5000 babies, usually at Kapi`olani Maternity Hospital, personallly chronicling their vital statistics in bound ledgers.

You seemed to have "forgotten" that Dr. West retired from delivering babies in 1956.

[parsifal]

Apparently not. I think the birthers need to look at these later articles, and if you guys are wrong about this, like the 30 social security numbers, and the $1.5 million legal defense costs stuff, and the phony birth certificates, then you need to inform all the other birthers or you are going to have even greater credibility problems.

One said he retired in 1975, one in 1977. Do you really think he retired at age 46???

parsy, who asks what you think of Orly appealing to the United Nations?

[DJ MacWoW]

parsy, the pure and just!

No. You aren't. Examine your motives. You said that you disagree. Ok. You can do that. So why are you haunting these threads? To argue. To deride. To ridicule. Because you disagree. You will change no ones mind. That's not what you are trying to do. You are making others defend their opinion. By what right do you do that? The only reason could be that you really do not believe that someone has a right to an opinion different than yours.

[EnderWiggins]

"I’m surprised you say “we”. In your original post you said the DOH had told YOU that the system has changed at least 4 times in the last 30 years."

Of course you are. Your life would be empty if you could not spend so much time parsing possessives and plurals and tenses that you never get a handle on what people are actually trying to communicate to you.

"And in all the times that I reminded you that I wanted to see your communications with the DOH you never said that it wasn’t YOU who communicated with them."

Yes. I know that. I pretty much was telling you to take a hike on seeing anything as long as you were hiding your sources too. Once you opened your kimono, I opened mine. A lot of good that seems to have done me.

"But then, you also said you were flying for a couple days and had just gotten back to your computer one Monday, when in reality you were posting on Saturday and Sunday."

What a shock. A man who knows how to access the Internet on more than one computer. What an astounding concept!!!

"And you gave the details of your security clearance process which was then ripped by several military guys who DO know the protocols."

Wrong again, Ranger. I was "ripped" by one guy who admits that he himself has never held a security clearance. It might have been compelling to you though, after all... have you ever held a security clearance?

"Now we know your friend said he spent 2 1/2 hours at the DOH office getting information on a day when the office was closed."

Did you miss where I posted his explanation? You got pinged on it. I'd have thought you noticed.

"Your credibility matches that of Obama’s - for the same reasons."

Certainly, you can't imagine how much it wounds me to be told by a Birther that I have no credibility.

[Fred Nerks]

LISTEN TO THE ABERCROMBIE SPEECH ON VIDEO HERE

Doesn't match the text of the 'letter':

[mojitojoe]

Start back and post run and read thru this thread and make a list of all the snide, mean comments. Do them in two columns. One for the Birthers. One for the non-birthers.
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WHY ARE YOU ON THIS THREAD????? You think it’s all BS. Of course you get called names when you hijack, disrupt a thread and make fun of people that are having serious discussions and doing research. You may think it’s stupid, other do NOT and see nothing funny about it. Of course you will be called names. I would expect the same if I did what you did on threads on other topics that I think are BS. I did that on a Pit Bull thread once. I could see that many have Pits and love them. I just left the thread. Having a Pit is their choice. I think the breed should all be put down. Rather than make enemies, I just left since I don’t own one, it’s not my place to tell them they are crazy for doing so. I knew if I stayed I would make enemies. Was it worth it? NO.
I truly believe BO is a liar and has issues with that BC that is under lock and key. I KNOW for a fact that he has lied about many things. I KNOW for a fact there are many things that you DO NOT know and never will know because the “good stuff” is never posted on the open forum.

[DJ MacWoW]

As for you, what’s in this for you? Do people have a right to an opinion different than yours or not? Why are you insisting that people defend their opinion? Who are you to deride and ridicule? You are a bully. And I believe that you are a paid bully. You will change no one’s mind.

[parsifal]

That second link didn’t work. Try this instead:

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/WestPage.htm

Even these two guys have differing retirement dates. One in 1975 and one in 1977.

Whatever, both are certainly well after 1958.

parsy

[EnderWiggins]

What's in it for me?



"Truth is not only violated by falsehood; it may be equally outraged by silence."

Henri-Frederic Amiel

[Velveeta]

When google opened up their 2001 archives, there were several instances of Barry listed as: Barack J. Obama.

Unfortunately, I only saved one of the sites to my file:
http://web.archive.org/web/20011017072106/ednet.rvc.cc.il.us/~PeterR/ST/ilstsen.htm

[mojitojoe]

Just be patient. You are going to be blown away by what your so called "birthers" have really found. Do you really think it's going to be posted here? HELL NO!! It is behind the scenes and in the hands of people that know what to do with it and when to use it. *Smugly smiling*

[DJ MacWoW]

You are here defending a known marxist liar intent on destroying the country. A man who has hidden who he is, what he’s done and where he’s been. You have a lot of nerve to say you’re defending truth.

[mojitojoe]

How weird. Does anything add up with this man? No, it does not.

[Red Steel]

Apparently not. I think the birthers need to look at these later articles

You mean about 10 months later after that kooky women who remembers a napkin scribble LoL.

Here it is fool a screen shot of West's Bio... right after that B[S]uffalo women's story broke:

He retired from delivering babies in 1956, AND you'll notice that West became the President of the Hawaiian Medical Association in 1963 to 1975. Nope he had nothing to do with Obama.

[Fred Nerks]

Born and raised in Hawai`i, Dr. West, shown here at his Straub Clinic desk before his retirement, was stationed at the Ford Island Medical Dispensary in Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941. Although not an official USS Arizona Memorial Survivor Volunteer, Dr. West greeted visitors and signed his book, Honolulu Prepares for Japan's Attack every Wednesday at the park before passing away this past February. Dr. West will be greatly missed by everyone at the USS Arizona Memorial.

Barbara Nelson was smart enough to use the name of a man who was deceased. Other than that, whatever conflict there may be in the various reports allows you to choose what to believe. Dr West isn't available for comment.

[dinodino]

Yeah, I agree with you. I think this Nordyke BC number theory is a non-starter, unless the State of Hawaii had only one person assigning all of the BC numbers.

[mojitojoe]

:) Well done.