DOH indirectly confirms: Factcheck COLB date filed and certificate number impossible

Butterdezillion | Feb 23, 2010 | Butterdezillion

[butterdezillion]

I've updated my blog to include the e-mail from Janice Okubo confirming that they assign birth certificate numbers in the state registrar's office and the day they do that is the "Date filed by state registrar".

The pertinent portion from Okubo's e-mail:

In regards to the terms “date accepted” and “date filed” on a Hawaii birth certificate, the department has no records that define these terms. Historically, the terms “Date accepted by the State Registrar” and “Date filed by the State Registrar” referred to the date a record was received in a Department of Health office (on the island of O’ahu or on the neighbor islands of Kaua’i, Hawai’i, Maui, Moloka’i, or Lana’i), and the date a file number was placed on a record (only done in the main office located on the island of O’ahu) respectively.

MY SUMMARY: As you can see, Okubo said that the “Date filed by the State Registrar” is the date a file number was placed on a record (only done in the main office).

There are no pre-numbered certificates. A certificate given a certificate number on Aug 8th (Obama’s Factcheck COLB) would not be given a later number than a certificate given a number on Aug 11th (the Nordyke certificates).

There is no way that both the date filed and the certificate number can be correct on the Factcheck COLB. The COLB is thus proven to be a forgery.

[STARWISE]

;)

[potlatch]

It disturbs me a bit because it almost makes ‘disagreeing’ about something automatically make you a troll. No matter how long you’ve been here.

I could see it having an inhibiting effect on people.

[STARWISE]

The n00bies who have shown up here
on this subject are anything but inhibited.
And, they have exemplary and very worthy
adversaries ... ;)

[potlatch]

Yes, I've seen the ‘two in particular’ who have been causing trouble. That's obvious.

Some of the comments on the ‘troll’ thread bothered me though. They ‘posed’ questions that some might say, to the effect that if you disagreed at all about something Sarah was doing, you just had to be a troll.

It just made me uneasy, no big deal, lol.

[potlatch]

Inhibiting effect on we “regular Freepers” who may disagree with something.

[DJ MacWoW]

I seldom post on Sarah threads. 2012 is not here yet and it’s too early for the intense bickering.

[potlatch]

I don't bicker, at least I don't think I do. There were a lot of comments on a thread about Sarah and a possible “reality show”.

Turns out it will possibly be more of a documentary. There was a lot of bickering there, lol.

Heading off for the night, cheers.

[DJ MacWoW]

I meant posters on those threads do. Didn't mean you!

Night!

[potlatch]

I knew that, no problem. lol

[BP2]

It disturbs me a bit because it almost makes ‘disagreeing’ about something automatically make you a troll. No matter how long you’ve been here. I could see it having an inhibiting effect on people.

Today is the 65-year anniversary of the Battle of Iwo Jima. Of the 22,786 Japanese soldiers entrenched on the island, 21,570 died either from fighting or by ritual suicide. Many Japanese “popped” out of foxholes, even near the last day of the month-long battle, to kill as many Americans as possible before they themselves were dispatched.

Fast forward nearly three decades ...

Although NOT the last Japanese holdout, Shōichi Yokoi emerged from his hidden retreat on Guam in January 1972. Two shrimp trap fishermen saw Yokoi. Thinking he was a poacher from nearby village, the two fishermen managed to surprise and subdue Yokoi, carrying him out of the jungle to later reintroduce him to the modern world. (I actually went down inside Yokoi's hole in the jungle floor in 2001 when I was stationed on Guam).

Never be surprised of the enemy, who may lie in wait for YEARS, for the best opportunity to strike. IMO, we all need to allow discussion — up until the point — that it's blatantly obvious that the person is a contrarian troll and an intentional distractor, hell-bent on disrupting the free speech of others.

Sorry, that IS a subjective call, based upon the content of their postings (just as one is judged upon the content of their character). This is often attributed to noobies, but occasionally it includes people who have been a member of FR for years, lying in the trenches, and disguising themselves as a FRiend.

[Natural Born 54]

lj -

I posted during that discussion of the material in the photo so I did a forum search on myself and located a post from the big thread that will get you to the subject matter you want. Here is the link:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2306351/posts

You weren't the only one obsessing!

[Natural Born 54]

Whoops, wrong link.

Right one:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2306351/posts?page=7793#7793

[little jeremiah]

Thank you. Goody, now I can obsess some more.

[EnderWiggins]

Well... the original links on the Punkster's announcement are broken. I was able to find this copy on line though, although I had to convert it to a jpeg from its original tiff image to load it up on photobucket:



It is 1024X768 resolution.

In comparison, here is the image that Orly released (as found on WND)



It is (you will notice immediately) a much lower resolution picture, only 614x529, and it is cropped from the Punkster's larger uncropped original. But you can look at the very dos on the cloth weave to see that they are the same photograph of the same document on the same background.

[Natural Born 54]

WND’s article had numerous mistakes and they did not use Orly’s original image. There’s a discussion - a detailed one - of the WND article you referenced buried within the large BC thread. I’ll go see if I can find it and then I’ll post the link or copy the posts that explain it.

[KenyanBCPunkster]

I am the person who created the hoax Kenyan birth certificate and will be happy to answer any questions about it.

Earlier I provided the original, uncompressed TIF file from the camera to someone who told me of this thread. I imagine they will arrange to have it made available to the public.

I hope this will finally put an end to any speculation that the certificate was anything other than a prank.

[Natural Born 54]

Here is one of the posts concerning the WND article:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2306351/posts?page=7370#7370

If you view replies, etc. and go forward a ways in the thread, you'll find more. I'm doing several things at the moment and can't focus on finding the whole jist of it but I'll try to get back to it later.

[Fred Nerks]

I am the person who created the hoax Kenyan birth certificate and will be happy to answer any questions about it. Earlier I provided the original, uncompressed TIF file from the camera to someone who told me of this thread. I imagine they will arrange to have it made available to the public.

I hope this will finally put an end to any speculation that the certificate was anything other than a prank.

[EnderWiggins]

Don’t bother natural... we’ve been joined by the Punkster himself...

[Natural Born 54]

Check out this post - you probably have questions to ask:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2457491/posts?page=2436#2436

Poster says he is the person who created the hoax Kenyan BC.