DOH indirectly confirms: Factcheck COLB date filed and certificate number impossible

Butterdezillion | Feb 23, 2010 | Butterdezillion

[butterdezillion]

I've updated my blog to include the e-mail from Janice Okubo confirming that they assign birth certificate numbers in the state registrar's office and the day they do that is the "Date filed by state registrar".

The pertinent portion from Okubo's e-mail:

In regards to the terms “date accepted” and “date filed” on a Hawaii birth certificate, the department has no records that define these terms. Historically, the terms “Date accepted by the State Registrar” and “Date filed by the State Registrar” referred to the date a record was received in a Department of Health office (on the island of O’ahu or on the neighbor islands of Kaua’i, Hawai’i, Maui, Moloka’i, or Lana’i), and the date a file number was placed on a record (only done in the main office located on the island of O’ahu) respectively.

MY SUMMARY: As you can see, Okubo said that the “Date filed by the State Registrar” is the date a file number was placed on a record (only done in the main office).

There are no pre-numbered certificates. A certificate given a certificate number on Aug 8th (Obama’s Factcheck COLB) would not be given a later number than a certificate given a number on Aug 11th (the Nordyke certificates).

There is no way that both the date filed and the certificate number can be correct on the Factcheck COLB. The COLB is thus proven to be a forgery.

[Red Steel]

You’re still full of suppositions. It’s better than likely that the Obama COLBs that were published online by the DailyKook.org and the nonfact checkers at “Factcheck”.org are forgeries.

[Aurorales]

I have said for over a year...

The problem Barry can’t fix is the serial number in the upper right hand corner.

The numbers are assigned in chronological order. He can’t make-up a number because it will not be in line with other babies born at that time.
He also cannot use some other baby’s number because well....it belongs to someone else.

This is the reason some fake BC has not been produced and shown to the public.

These pieces of garbage can’t get that number right.

[Jedidah]

Well, it would be nice to see some good come out of this gosh awful mess we’re in.

[patlin]

I just went back and pulled the census numbers for births in Hawaii in 1961.

There were 35,232 births recorded and excluding holidays, there were approx 240 working days that year. That would mean that approx 147 birth certs were filed each working day. I hardly think that a registrars office would wait for the end of the week and file ALL 735 certs at one time.

Yes, BuckT’s conspiracy theory is completely hilarious as well as completely ignorant.

[Danae]

I did read your posts. And they do have me thinking... however, what I get caught on is this. 1) I know Hawaii is corrupt as all getout. Its like chicago only in the middle of the ocean.

Next is my records. My long form was signed by my Dr. on the 13th of August. It was signed and filed by the registrar, who in reality is a clerk, the next day, the 14th. The dates are clear as day.

This is a picture I took less than 5 min ago with my iPhone. This is a PhotoCopy of my long form. It is not the actual form, that is in a different location in a safe deposit box.



So I KNOW that my Dr signed it on a day different than the Registrar did, therefore, the registrar, a functionary of the DOH was not present when the Dr. signed it. Think about it, would the State send a special registrar to every OB in Honolulu to personally witness the signing of certificates? If it had to be witnessed, why not just have a Notary Public do it if it had to be a witnessed signature?? A Notary could have been an employee in the Dr.'s office.

No, the Registrar registered the birth documents in a state office. That person did not witness the signature being placed on them by the Dr.'s themselves. Likely the Dr's signed them in their offices, or perhaps at the hospital, and the forms were then sent to the State office where the Registrar would then put them into the system and give them a Number.

How do I know this? Because in the outer islands, there are state offices, but they did NOT actually put file numbers on the documents. Which is why it would be listed as ACCEPTED by the registrar and why they had to make that allowance in that time, the documents had to go by plane of boat to the main Island, Oahu. Thats why there is a place for "Date Received By Local Registrar" and then "Date Accepted by Local Registrar". Received, means it is in state hands, a state office. Filed means it got an actual File number ie: 151 61 010641 Barry's supposed "file" number. Those dates might well be different, they had 7 days to get er done.

Barrys says it was FILED on Aug 8th. Meaning it got it's NUMBER 151 61 010641 on that day. The Nordyke's were FILED on Aug 11th, three days later, with numbers 151 61 10637, 10638, 3 and 4 digits difference respectively, and lower numbers. This is completely illogical.

There is enough questionable here to make one wonder what the heck is going on.

[BuckeyeTexan]

All Congressmen and Senators receive a burghundy-colored passport to identify them as officers of the U.S. traveling on official government business. Obama had just received his when he traveled to Russia with Senator Lugar.

[bgill]

I can verify that sufficient evidentiary requirements must be met for the DOH to issue a certificate of live birth.

No, it doesn't say Obama did anything to his or anyone else's BC. She is merely stating that there are requirements must be met. The end. Nothing more. Basically, she beat around the bush and didn't answer anything.

In other words she says there's a law that everyone must stop at a stop sign. Ok, but we don't know if there any stop sign had been place at the corner, or if there was a stop sign at one time but two years ago Hussein changed it to a yield sign, or is there even a sign there today, or was the road diverted so the sign is of no consequence, or did granny speed past the sign at 2 AM and no cop was around to ticket her, or Hussein did sneak by it and just waved at the cop, or are we even at the correct corner. All she acknowledges is there are rules concerning stop signs.

[BuckeyeTexan]

You’re invited to skip right over my comments and cease posting to me. You’re wasting your own time. I’m not wasting it.

[john mirse]

We could get a certified copy of a BC saying Nobama was born on Mars and it would not matter. No one would do a thing about it. No one would even having “standing”. It just doesn’t matter now.

******

It may not matter now, but it might matter during the 2012 presidential campaign when voters all over the country demand that candidate Obama present his 1961 Hawaii long form birth certificate before he is allowed to put his name on the Democratic Party ballot during the primaries.

[opentalk]

This is from the same link in post #31 from WND

On his website, Berg explains he believes Obama obtained an Indonesian passport while he lived with his mother and stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, in Indonesia, and that his act of attending school in Indonesia required him to be an Indonesian citizen.

Further, he contends that as an adult, Obama chose to continue his Indonesian citizenship by renewing his passport.

"Renewing an Indonesian passport after the age of 18 is an affirmative act, as you are swearing allegiance to another country. Soetoro/Obama renewed his Indonesian passport when he traveled to Pakistan, that is why he had to stop in Indonesia first. Remember, in 1981, [his mother] was divorcing Soetoro in Hawaii and was not in Indonesia. Obama/Soetoro admits to traveling to Indonesia first and then on to Pakistan.

Soetoro/Obama claims in his book 'Dreams from my Father' that he stopped in Indonesia to visit his mother. But again, his mother was not in Indonesia, she was in Hawaii with Maya, divorcing Lolo Soetoro.

[mojitojoe]

Lets suppose, and suppose, suppose, suppose...

Do you seeeeee whaaaaat I’m gettttting aaaaat..
__________
What he really means is;

Let’s hope and hope, hope hope

[mojitojoe]

Actually, I believe there was an incident in Russia where Obama was detained as a Senator. I wonder what the explanation for that is.
____________
Yes, he was and the circumstances surrounding the detention and the explanations after were all over the place.

[ilovesarah2012]

There is no law or provision that a candidate must prove his eligibility to be president. The law needs to be enacted before 2012.

[mojitojoe]

[Danae]

To the left of the local registrar’s signature, there is a box for a datestamp by the local registrar. Then there is the signature box for the local registrar. Inside that box, there appears to be a date stamped very close to the signature

I am going to make an educated guess and say that it says DEPUTY. On my document as you can see above, it says "DEPUTY" and that appears to be a hand stamp as well.

I believe that the "Date of Signature" next to the registrar's signature would be the date the registrar (in a local office on say Kauai) signed it. The "Date Accepted By Reg. General" would have meant the date it was given its File number in Honolulu. If the baby was born in Honolulu, those dates would be the same because the office there was the one that handled all the certificates in the state. If a baby was born on an outer island most likely they would be different.

The Date received by the local office would be noted, and then the date the Reg. General accepted it officially and gave it a file number.

There were two boxes to accommodate the travel time it took to get from the outer islands to Oahu and the Office in which the documents were given their file numbers.

I am following where you are going and I appreciate you playing devils advocate and trying to find a mundane explanation for this significant inconsistency. Rule out the simple explanations before jumping to wild conclusions, I totally get you! :) But it isn't doing the trick. 3 days filing difference and the reversed numbering order does not make sense coming out of the same office.

[BuckeyeTexan]

You’re so full of sh*t. I never made that claim. butterdezillion is the one claiming the certs were gathered for a week at a time.

[BuckeyeTexan]

And I didn’t suggest otherwise. Move along.

[Danae]

While intimidating, it is a good sign. It means you are onto something. A snake does not strike for no reason. It strikes when it is hunting and it strikes to defend itself.

If you were onto nothing, they would write you off as a crazy, laugh about it at the water cooler, and just send out the same form letter.

You are not backing down from the form letter treatment, and are forcing them to get specific in areas that are making them feel threatened for one reason or another.

Golly, I wonder what that is? Inquiring minds want to know.

[mojitojoe]

Dane, that was an excellent post. Very well written, explained and easy to understand. Well done. Something is fishy.

[BP2]

It’s not like they had a central computer database in 1961 with data entry terminals at each clerk’s desk.

Gosh Brown-eye,

It's amazing those cavemen in the "Stupid Ages" — before the the Personal Computer was invented — were able to get by.

However, IBM invented the Standard 5081 punched card in 1928, based from a format used by the US 1890 Census ... which, in turn, were based upon various punched cards before it, including punched cards first used around 1725 for controlling textile looms in France.

The Army routinely used punched card to send data back and forth between Hawaii and the mainland before the Pearl Harbor attack. The State of Hawaii government also used punched cards to track data — especially information such as "birth certificates" — necessary during the exponential population explosion going on the islands following WWII.

Magnetic tape became into use in 1952.

IN FACT, Hawaii Act 31 in 1962 financed the development of three computer centers to augment and consolidate existing computer data processing needs of all State of Hawaii agencies.

So, yes, they had ways to computer track and manage birth certificates, death certificates and other vital statistic documents back in the 1960s and before.