Posted on 02/23/2010 8:02:16 AM PST by butterdezillion
I've updated my blog to include the e-mail from Janice Okubo confirming that they assign birth certificate numbers in the state registrar's office and the day they do that is the "Date filed by state registrar".
The pertinent portion from Okubo's e-mail:
In regards to the terms “date accepted” and “date filed” on a Hawaii birth certificate, the department has no records that define these terms. Historically, the terms “Date accepted by the State Registrar” and “Date filed by the State Registrar” referred to the date a record was received in a Department of Health office (on the island of O’ahu or on the neighbor islands of Kaua’i, Hawai’i, Maui, Moloka’i, or Lana’i), and the date a file number was placed on a record (only done in the main office located on the island of O’ahu) respectively.
MY SUMMARY: As you can see, Okubo said that the “Date filed by the State Registrar” is the date a file number was placed on a record (only done in the main office).
There are no pre-numbered certificates. A certificate given a certificate number on Aug 8th (Obama’s Factcheck COLB) would not be given a later number than a certificate given a number on Aug 11th (the Nordyke certificates).
There is no way that both the date filed and the certificate number can be correct on the Factcheck COLB. The COLB is thus proven to be a forgery.
Mu God, how desperate are you? That settles it, you are officially an Obot. end of story. You voted for Hillary, she lost then you voted for BO.
It still doesn’t explain the three day difference. If its dated the 8th it was done the 8th. If it says the 11th, it was done three days later. They were not processed on the same day. 3 days is a long time.
The county health department would probably use a different numbering system than the state. As I understand it, the numbers at the county level are for locating the record in their files. They later receive notification from the state registrar regarding what the STATE file number is.
Congrats for being New Year’s Baby. I hope you let your brother share your reward for it. lol.
If you examine the twins’ certificates, you’ll notice the following:
To the left of the local registrar’s signature, there is a box for a datestamp by the local registrar. Then there is the signature box for the local registrar. Inside that box, there appears to be a date stamped very close to the signature. I can’t make out what it says. Perhaps someone else can run it through photoshop and tell us what the numbers are. Then to the right of the local registrar’s signature, there is a box for a datestamp by the “Reg. General” (At least I think that’s what it says. I can’t see that very well either.)
So do we have enough certificates to know if the dates are always the same between those two boxes? Having them the same leads me to believe they came from the same stamp and person. And I contend it’s the local registrar who’s stamping that date.
So if the local registrar had to datestamp the form and the Registrar General had to datestamp the form, I could see the latter using the local registrar’s datestamp as the official date filed/accepted because the local registrar is authorized by the state. Then the state/country registrar assigns and stamps a certificate number at the top of the form as her final approval.
When titling cars, we had to sign and date odometer statements and titles to match the date on the sales contract because if the dates didn’t match, the title work would be rejected by the state. That made a mess because the buyer had to come back to the dealership and sign all new paperwork and then the finance contracts had to re-done and re-submitted to the bank. It was a mess.
As I said, I just want you to consider that there are other possibilities.
I’m just waiting for something about the nurse that witnessed Obamas birth in Kenya, the one that went into a witness protection program in England, the one that had all reference of her name scrubbed from the African papers.
Sorry no links folks, but mark my words this really indeed happened, its been whitewashed over and forgotten.
BuckT - Let’s suppose that there was an authorized registrar...
...Then let’s suppose that her weekly stack of certificates are sent...
...Do you see what I’m getting at? ...
Lets suppose, and suppose, suppose, suppose...
Do you seeeeee whaaaaat I'm gettttting aaaaat..
ROLF!
I completely understand what you are saying, so does *uckeyetexan. Best to ignore him and not open the door for his Obot talking points.
Because at least one head nurse/administrator is likely a deputy registrar authorized by the state, much as a notary or a title clerk. And that nurse probably wouldn't assign the certificate number. She'd just sign the form and datestamp it once she verified all of the proper information was filled out.
Even butterdezillion acknowledges that a hospital employee was likely authorized as a local registrar.
Actually, I believe there was an incident in Russia where Obama was detained as a Senator. I wonder what the explanation for that is.
Any of these nations which have record of Obama’s passport could be in a position right now to blackmail the leader of the free world.
How’s that feel, America?
I actually wonder if Israel is using something like this right now.
Absolutely. But both of my theories are plausible and that’s all I wanted to point out. There are other plausible explanations for the seemingly out of order certificate numbers.
Thanks for that info. I was hesitant the other day to give a definite answer on the dates because each state has a different form. I'm looking at one from a different state but of the same time period and it only has the date received locally and the number. It doesn't have a file date. Good to know Hawaii has those separate boxes. Looks like a slam dunk!
The DOH has gone to great pains to not reveal the birth certificate number for Obama even though birth certificate number was required to be included in the publicly-available index data before UIPA was passed. The legislative history of UIPA shows that it was not meant to close access to what was already publicly-available before UIPA was passed.
IOW, the birth certificate number is a piece of information that was publicly-available and is grandfathered in for public availability.
The place it should be released is on the non-certified copy of an abbreviated birth certificate - which is required to be released to anyone who asks for it. The DOH refuses.
So Will Espero wants to punish me because I’ve asked for it and sent e-mails documenting to Okubo why she is required to give it. I won’t just let her disobey the law in peace, so I must be punished.
Kids aren’t cars.
Even in 1961, birth records would have been maintained by an automated system — it may have been on punched cards, or on an old IBM 1440 or 1410.
The birth registration record would have been identified by a “key.” That key is the birth registration number (or some like designator). They are assigned sequentially.
Now, I can think of ways that Obama’s number is higher than the Nordyke twins, but they would fall under the category of errors and would be 2% or 3% probability.
Obama was born at home, and his birth wasn't reported for a couple of days. He was registered in the sequence reported — after the Nordykes.
We’re discussing plausible theories. So those words are appropriate.
Don’t waste my time with your halucinations.
1) he used a foreign passport to party in Pakistan which means he knows (aside from Senate Resolution 511 and the “two parents”) he isn’t a NBC.
2) the dudes who broke into the passport office were either there out of curiosity or were ordered by the puppet masters to do the deed. That event can give him the out he needs in that his application and whatever else was destroyed by the guys. And, ya know, we shouldn’t jump to conclusions as to why the msm and police apparently have ignored any investigation on the one who was murdered.”
Or!!
3) BHO simply made the whole thing up as he was, at the time, scrambling to try and produce even a thin veneer of foreign policy experience. IIRC, he had never made mention of this alleged trip anywhere to anyone prior to making this claim.
I may be wrong on that, but it remains a possibility that he was lying.
Okubo said in her e-mail that the dates the local registrar got the BC and the date that the state registrar assigned a number to it were almost always the same for an Oahu birth.
That agrees with all the certs I’ve observed - showing that the local registrars gathered their certs for a week as required by the rules, signed them, and then submitted them to the state registrar the same day.
That flies directly in the face of what you’re suggesting might have happened.
Of course not. But state mechanisms for filing paperwork is similar, thus the comparison.
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