Posted on 11/15/2008 6:48:02 PM PST by palmer
It's apparent that a combination of fervent believers and a small number of psychopaths and/or infiltrators have dominated the birth certificate discussion. The early evidence was in their favor and everyone should have been skeptical of the low res images on Kos, smears and politifact. The new evidence is not and is not being addressed objectively.
But photo #5 (and some of the others) is a genuine photograph of an artifact. It was not created in photoshop. That doesn't mean photoshop was not involved. A plausible set of steps is
1. Scan a real COLB including the border
2. Import into photoshop and change the text to Obama's text
3. Print the result onto the cross hatched paper (could be forged separately)
4. Obtain a embossing seal and apply it to the printout 5. Fold it as if it came from an envelope and display it to the factcheck photographer.
Another plausible scenario is someone in the Hawaii office did all the forging but on the official equipment and using the official seal. Another possibility is someone stole a seal and sold it to a forger. It is certainly possible for a forger to make a seal using the right equipment (probably a laser etcher).
The Kenya trip meme seemed to turn into an established fact in early July when proposed by null and void and properly ridiculed. Even into November null and void can only repeat her hypothesis (a honeymoon) apparently unwilling or unable to embellish it further.
Polarik surrounds himself with a number of true believers and useful idiots. The useful idiots are the ones who validate or praise his analysis while obviously not knowing anything about it. The true believers have convinced themselves that Obama was not born in Honolulu and are unable to evaluate the evidence objectively.
In their favor, the true believers have established that Obama has potential Indonesian citizenship (courtesy of Soetoro) as well as potential Kenyan citizenship (courtesy of Obama Sr). These are true regardless of where Obama was born. For the former the Kenyan citizenship would have to be activated by Obama. For the latter, Soetoro would have had to apply to make Obama an Indonesian citizen, it does not happen automatically via adoption.
The bottom line for Polarik is he has yet to address the certificate linked above. He has promised to do this for weeks now and is instead disseminating and repeating his various diatribes against Obama. My guess based on his past behavior is that he will release a rehash of the evidence against the old scan (Kos, smears, politifact) with a bit of new verbiage against the factcheck photos. He will properly point out some oddities in some of the photos while ignoring the obvious salient features in the decent photos such as number 5.
He and I have already argued about the seal (embossing) in number 5 and he claims it is a perfect circle (therefore forged). I showed that it wasn't http://i433.photobucket.com/albums/qq51/palmer2/circle.jpg and he replied with a very similar result except he used some edge detection first. He obviously just fools with some tools, but doesn't obtain any useful results. When it comes to image analysis he is a dabbler, not an expert.
With cover from his defenders he establishes a "sensitive" personality claiming that he is being ruthlessly attacked. He says that as a result he will stop posting on the certificate issue when he is done with his final writeup. I don't know if that's a real sensitivity or faked, but even if it is faked there are thousands more that will step into his shoes if he disappears.
That thread and others contain useful nuggets about other Obama problems. There are alternative threads that speak to real evidence although some of those get beaten down by the Polarik army. Polarik's followers also use Freepmail to spread gossip about posters like myself and allegedly (according to them) posted about me on another forum.
That is all good. The more publicity I get on this particular issue, the better. But I remain concerned that FreeRepublic will have the appearance of a conspiracy site because only a rather intensive conspiracy could produce the evidence photographed by Factcheck.
I am also concerned that Factcheck and others might be deliberately planting poor quality evidence in an attempt to hook in the Polariks of the world and their followers. That would not necessarily require a conspiracy although I admit it has the flavor of one. It is to the liberal opposition's benefit to keep as many people on false trails as possible not just to waste their time but to portray them as unhinged. That result was detrimental in the last election and will be detrimental in 2010 and 2012.
IMO of course.
Is that what is indicated here: http://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/PRAViewICR?ref_nbr=198002-3240-001?
It's not clear to me what this reginfo form says.
My understanding (from a post here) was that factcheck was invited to Obama HQ to photograph it.
This part of your statement is false. No such statement was ever made by Governor Lingle or any other official of the State of Hawaii.
You owe it to yourself to check it out. You will find I am right.
Please print out a kos link or whatever part of the link that you can (no need to A HREF it). I’m having trouble wading through their trash.
Exactly.
Instead he has sent an army of lawyers to fight the release.
Sorry, that gives me......pause.
Of course, but by how much?
If Obama were born at Kapiolani Hospital, as would most likely have been the case for anyone in the University of Hawaii community in 1961, it should be failrly easy to determine the normal lag between birth and registration.
If this particular birth were to have been registered, say, a week later than normal, with no hospital indicated (home birth), and no attending physican’s signature, and AFTER Ann Dunham was repoerted to have shown up at her childhood friend’s home in Mercer Island, WA asking for instructions on diaper changing, it would very strongly indicate to me that Obama was NOT born in Hawaii.
Would it not?
Yep, the application for a new issue of the form was withdrawn. It wasn’t created. the form you are looking at is the Feb 1990 form. Pretty hard for it to have been signed in 1981, eh?
“I have family in-law on 65 north of you in Urbana.
Hows the weather up there?”
It’s been cold and rainy!
I’m sure that with a half billion dollars in campaign funds to play with it wouldn’t be too difficult to have a raised stamp made to look like the Hawaiian seal. I’m sure someone in O’s crowd of 1000s of friends someone could arrange that.
Yes, it was made more clear to me when I clicked on that link near the bottom on the left - the Retrieve (NOA) link:
http://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/DownloadNOA?requestID=177647
What that’s telling you, is due to the paperwork reduction act, the Feb. 1980 form that was nixed.
“Would that be a certain octogenarian of Hungarian origin?”
It certainly would!
Well, the beat goes on here:
http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/11/10/berg-vs-obama-response-to-supreme-court-due-december-1/
That's my understanding as well. Interesting isn't it, that if that form is at Obama HQ, the COLB on the Obama website is still the forgery.
It boggles the mind.
The first picture in the thread compares the Obama 2007 cert with a genuine 2007 cert. He ignores the fact that it is a pretty good match. The second picture compares Obama 2007 with DeCosta 2002 to "prove" that Obama 2007 was created from DeCosta 2002. For starters, as he has admitted, the seals are different between 2002 and 2007 and looking at Decosta (posted in this thread) and photo #5, they are obviously different.
The main problem with the analysis is it doesn't address the factcheck photo that I linked to. That photo could only be made the way I indicated in my original post here, but Polarik is fixated on photoshop after the fact. That's possible with the flat scans that he shows, but not with photo #5.
Did we salvage FreeRepublic yet? ;-)
Please send me an e-mail if they ever clean up the garbage threads like this and get rid of the abusive liberal trolls such as Non-Sequitur, Kevmo and Palmer. It’s really not worth spending any more of my valuable time here as long as they allow the 0bomba lovers to continue posting. Best of luck friends.
If you do a little searching you can come up with this:
http://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/PRAOMBHistory?ombControlNumber=3240-0002
I don’t see a Feb any year that ends in 0
http://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/PRAOMBHistory?ombControlNumber=3240-0002#
So it is unclear what is taking place. They don’t show the actual form in anything I have found so far. So when does the date change?
But certainly, nothing in Feb of 1980.
LOLROFLMAOAPIMPRFIWIHAFOWOALAGAWCJMILAY
I don’t know non-sequitir or Palmer very well. But Kevmo is about the farthest thing from an Obama lover as humanly possible.
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