Posted on 04/02/2007 8:46:24 AM PDT by ventanax5
Mayor Mike Bloomberg has the chance to transform not just New York, but all American cities, by breaking the taboo on talking about the connection between race and crime. Doing so would take courage that no politician has yet mustered. But after the manslaughter and assault indictments of three New York police officers for fatally shooting Sean Bell last November, Bloomberg has an opening: acknowledge that police officers may react too precipitously to perceived threats in charged urban settings, in exchange for a wide-open discussion about the sky-high black crime rates that encourage that reaction. Crime, not police racism, drives negative police-community relations in black neighborhoods. And until the crime rate comes down, tragedies like the Sean Bell shooting may reoccur.
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No stats, no sources, just nonsense...no surprise.
The relationship between blacks and crime is a red herring.
The crime rate just about everywhere is about Class. Correlations can easily be discerned.
The Public Schools, the welfare state, Democrat Party plantation mentality, prejudice, and outrageous self interest by Bull $hit artist public servants are all major factors in urban area crime rates.
Somebody ought to do a study concerning the crime rates among certain immigrant groups from areas such as...Haiti.
I have a number of friends who are originally from Haiti, and they are among those most intelligent, hard working, ambitious folks that I have ever known.
My friends distinguish themselves regularly in so many ways that I simply cannot express what I know here because I simply do not have all day.
One thing that I am certain of....My Haitian friends have not been limited or intellectually restrained by the self serving abominable school systems of our hypocritical culture.
Watch a lot of TV do you?
Keyword ALL...You have no idea about what true crime is, and so you conclude that it is a black thing.
From the 2000 census
Percentage of Americans claiming "White alone or in combination with one or more other races": 77.1%
Percentage of Americans claiming "Black alone or in combination with one or more other races": 12.9%
From the 2005 arrest statistics*
Percentage of arrests for violent crimes ("Whites" ): 59.0%
Percentage of arrests for violent crimes ("Blacks" ): 38.8%
Percentage of arrests for property crimes ("Whites" ): 68.8%
Percentage of arrests for property crimes ("Blacks" ): 28.6%
From 2005Murder Offenders
Percentage of offenders ("Whites" ): 32.0%
Percentage of offenders ("Blacks" ): 37.6%
Do "Blacks" commit a majority of crime? The statistics say No, they do not.
Do "Blacks" commit a disproportionate amount of crime? The statistics say Yes, they do.
*Note: I don't care for the "arrest" statistics because arrests are not convictions. However, I didn't see any other crime categories broken down by race except for murder.
Well said!
Thanks. I know those stats, I couldn’t figure out how to post the charts.
I think that's what we all want to see, but the solutions proffered by the current Black leadership is not yielding a solution to the problem. Cosby has stated repeatedly that the deterioration of the Black family is the single most important reason for many problems faced by Blacks. He goes on to say that they need to take on responsibility for their own fate and quit blaming everyone else for their problems. This is almost exactly the opposite of what Jesse and Al say. They play the race card at every opportunity saying it's the root of all their problems.
While I'm sure race still has an effect, but it is not the root cause of their problems. I think the statistic is that 80% of Blacks come from single-parent families and that starts them out with one strike against them. Our current welfare system promotes such a system and needs to be changed to encourage the family to stay together, not drive it apart. To me, we need to tie assistance programs to training and/or retraining, but that's not what Jesse and Al want. They want to make poor people dependent upon them...the last thing they want is a real solution to the problem because that would erode their power base.
I'm no expert, but a long term solution must tie assistance to self-help and preservation of the family and, currently, neither are stressed--or even sought--by the Black leadership.
Bump.
In response to the question of “nature vs nurture” I’d like to point out to the “breeding black crime” crowd that Blacks would be essentially breeding *OUT* the trait of violence with almost every murder they commit. Consider the wildly disproportionately high black-to-black crime. It’s a culture issue, otherwise it’d be decreasing instead of increasing. How many generations of inner-city blacks has this been the case? 6? 7? More? Surely all that murder would leave the more docile and even tempered more apt to survive?
IT IS CULTURE!
DOJ statistics show that the per-capita violent crime rate among blacks is about SEVEN TIMES that of whites. We can debate the underlying causes all day, but it doesn’t erase the simple fact that there is a huge disparity in crime rates between blacks and whites. If I meet a stranger on the street, that stranger is statistically 700% more likely to attack me if he is black instead of white. I am far more likely to go to condition orange if the stranger coming up to me is black. It’s not racism, it’s just reality.
“In almost all cases we assume that there is irrational and unlawful discirmination by race, what happens when there is rational discrimination by race, and can the disparity be so great that a law prohibiting such discrimination is itself irrational?”
I hear what you are saying, but there is no way any insurance company would dare try anything like that...it would be financial suicide...even if what they did was technically legal, they would be destroyed by all the bad publicity, boycotts and lawsuits. Besides, I don’t think blacks have substantially higher accident rates than whites. The disparity is in violent crime rates only, AFAIK. Funny how the MSM will NEVER talk about it, though. Did you know that a black male has a 1 in 11 chance of being murdered in his lifetime? Did you know that if he is murdered, there is a 99% chance that his killer will be another black male? They are killing themselves! Again, this is not racism, just reality.
Ah, so this is why people think Republicans are racist.
Amen to that...I can’t tell you how uncomfortable it is sometimes to look into a black face I’ve never laid eyes on before and see such unchecked hatred there.
There are studies showing that black and hispanic prisoners rape white males in disproportionate numbers because of being outnumbered.
Some time ago we started ignoring bad behavior unless it was extreme . In our personal life and our society . Manners went out the window when women went out the door to work .
I am old enough to remember the blacks in the 50s and 60s .I really don’t remember them being that more aggressive than whites back then.
Now after 5 or 6 decades of movies like ‘Roots’ and other Alex Haley productions that made the blacks victims of white abuse they seemed to get a lot more violent . It’s the culture alright the black and white culture of liberalism and leftist race hustlers .
We need to bring back common manners and build from there . Ladies keep your legs closed , don’;t sit on a bed with a man in the room ,walk like a lady ,be kind , all these things were what I heard growing up .I loved it when boys would argue over who would open the doors for me , tip their hats .Boys had manners too, but i am to tired to write anymore,
80% is way too high. Last I checked the FBI uniform crime statistics (it's been a couple of years) blacks were around 40% of 'violent crime' categories -- murder & rape. I'd also point out that the victims of black crime are also far more likely to be black.
That percentage is way out of line for their percentage of population, but exaggerating the statistics is wrong headed.
And I also agree with the other poster above --- it isn't about race, it's about culture and we have too many people (black & white) who have adopted what is essentially are dead-end self-destructive culture that has existed for centuries but was on the way to extinction when it was saved by the Great Society programs of LBJ.
When I was a cop we got teletypes from the FBI on cop killings, how, where, etc. There was also a monthly, quarterly and yearly recap. The recaps had stats like what region officers were killed in(NE, SE, etc)method(pistol, knife, etc)incident type(traffic stop, family beef, etc)and race and sex of the perps. Blacks accounted for about 50% of the cop killers thought they are only about 12% of the total population. That statistic was deemed racist, and was removed from the recaps.
When I was a cop we got teletypes from the FBI on cop killings, how, where, etc. There was also a monthly, quarterly and yearly recap. The recaps had stats like what region officers were killed in(NE, SE, etc)method(pistol, knife, etc)incident type(traffic stop, family beef, etc)and race and sex of the perps. Blacks accounted for about 50% of the cop killers though they are only about 12% of the total population. That statistic was deemed racist, and was removed from the recaps.
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