Posted on 02/15/2007 1:40:58 PM PST by Serb29
CERSKA, Bosnia (Reuters) -- The 18-year-old gunman who shot five people to death in a Salt Lake City, Utah, shopping mall was a survivor of the siege that ended in the Srebrenica massacre of 8,000 Muslims in Bosnia's 1992-95 war, a cousin said on Wednesday. Sulejman Talovic, who was killed by police after Monday's shooting spree in which he also wounded four people, fled his village with his family during the Bosnia war to Srebrenica, a U.N.-protected enclave, Redzo Talovic said." "They spent two years in the town, during which Bosnian Serb forces besieged the enclave and Talovic's grandfather was killed by shellfire, Redzo Talovic said. When the Bosnian Serbs overran the town in 1995, taking away and massacring some 8,000 Muslim men and boys, Talovic and his mother were evacuated by the United Nations and later reunited with his father, Redzo Talovic said. "They were a good, quiet family, and I remember that he was a nice kid when he was 4 or 5, maybe a little bit playful," he said, standing in front of the burned-out shell of the Talovic family home in the village of Talovici, eastern Bosnia.
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These are wise words from someone so young.
However, it is troubling that you can espouse such an enlightened philosophy for post-Communist Yugoslavia and still make blunt statements like: "Serbs have not ethnically cleansed anyone...EVER."
But again, you're young. And history, of all disciplines, takes time to understand.
Best,
Zimdog
One of those deniers is you...
No. In English, "massacre denier" refers to someone who denies that a massacre or massacres took place. That is not me. However, you seem to be suggesting that the killing of 2500 people in Srebrenica was not a massacre.
Good day.
You missed my point. The MSM often omits religious labelling when describing horrible crimes committed by an individual or group. It's not just when the criminals are Muslim or non-Christian, as many people here were claiming after reading a few MSM articles which didn't mention that the Utah shooter was a Muslim. Christianity was not to blame for the Srebrenica massacre, and it's unlikely (and certainly unconfirmed) that Islam was a significant factor in the Utah mall shooting. In many cases, the MSM isn't being "PC" by omitting religious labelling, but rather is avoiding the implication that a particular religion's beliefs are to blame, when there's no evidence to support that.
As your other posts have indicated, the image is not a "flag that the Balkan muslims flew during World War II." It is the insignia of the 13th Waffen-SS Division. There is clearly a difference between 21,000 Nazi soldiers and a region's entire population.
My comment wasn't meant to assess the relative guilt of the various groups involved in the war in Bosnia/Serbia/Croatia. I have no preconceived notions about whether or not the events at Srebrenica were justifiable based on previous actions of the victim group -- it's not a subject that I'm knowledgeable about or particularly interested in.
I was only noting that MSM aren't routinely selective in omitting religious affiliations of people who commit violent acts. When there is no evident connection between the religious beliefs and the acts, they often choose to omit the religious affiliation, to avoid the implication that a certain religion's beliefs are responsible. There have been several threads running on FR full of people claiming that MSM articles which omitted the fact that the Utah shooter was a Muslim, are proof that the MSM is selectively biased towards Muslims. This CNN article, which omits the religion from the description of the Christian people who killed thousands of Bosnian Mulsims, is an example.
...which was recruited by al-Husseini and Himmler as an all-muslim Balkan Nazi division. It's clear what side the muslims took in WWII. To them it was just another opportunity to shoot Serbs and participate in the extermination of the Jews.
All I will say on this is, God don't like ugly, folks.
Recruited by the fascist government of Christian Croatian to go along with the 30-odd Christian and Heretic divisions. If the existence of one all-Muslim Nazi division is your evidence that Muslims were looking for "another opportunity to shoot Serbs and participate in the extermination of the Jews" then by your same logic, Christians and Heretics joined the SS for the same reasons.
You deny that there were countless exterminations of Christians by Muslims.
PC is temporary but dumb is forever.
Of course I don't. If you want your misunderstanding about what I believe to have more weight than my knowledge about what I believe, you will have to provide evidence.
Actually the Croats divided during WWII. Some formed the Nazi-supported government of Ustashe Croatia, while others such as the Sisak Partisans fought under Tito along with most of the Serbs. The muslims, of course, sided with the Ustashe regime and with the Reich itself, the 13th Waffen-SS certainly being their largest and most visible display of support for Hitler but by no means their only. Mufti Husseini had all sorts of jihadi fascist organizations doing his dirty work in the Balkans during the war.
No. He attempts to excuse them by pointing out what he purports to be an "equal and opposite" offense by Christians. Point out a jihadi atrocity and he tries to excuse it with allegations against Christians. Point out a jihadi gunman like this kid in Utah and he starts shouting Dylan Klebold. Point out a bomb that a jihadi set off somewhere in the world (which happens almost daily) and he starts shouting Timothy McVeigh. It's all a cheap game of moral equivalency intended to deflect criticism away from the jihadi thugs right now and today based on the acts of lone nutcases a decade ago.
And of course, some Muslims joined Tito's partisan movement.
The fact remains is that the Christian and Christian/Heretic nations of Croatia, Germany, and elsewhere in central Europe made up the overwhelming majority of the Nazi Wehrmacht and all sorts of non-military fascist organizations doing Hitler's dirty work.
It's telling that the Nazis needed to use a foreign anti-Semitic cleric and the force of Christian Croatia's government to raise the 13th, while Christians and Heretics across Europe joined the SS in droves.
Again, you would have to prove that with evidence. Again. You can't.
Point out a jihadi atrocity and he tries to excuse it with allegations against Christians.
Nope. And I'll thank you kindly if you refrain from your baseless allegations.
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