Utah mall gunman was Srebenica survivor

cnn.com ^ | 12/15/07 | cnn

[Serb29]

CERSKA, Bosnia (Reuters) -- The 18-year-old gunman who shot five people to death in a Salt Lake City, Utah, shopping mall was a survivor of the siege that ended in the Srebrenica massacre of 8,000 Muslims in Bosnia's 1992-95 war, a cousin said on Wednesday. Sulejman Talovic, who was killed by police after Monday's shooting spree in which he also wounded four people, fled his village with his family during the Bosnia war to Srebrenica, a U.N.-protected enclave, Redzo Talovic said." "They spent two years in the town, during which Bosnian Serb forces besieged the enclave and Talovic's grandfather was killed by shellfire, Redzo Talovic said. When the Bosnian Serbs overran the town in 1995, taking away and massacring some 8,000 Muslim men and boys, Talovic and his mother were evacuated by the United Nations and later reunited with his father, Redzo Talovic said. "They were a good, quiet family, and I remember that he was a nice kid when he was 4 or 5, maybe a little bit playful," he said, standing in front of the burned-out shell of the Talovic family home in the village of Talovici, eastern Bosnia.

[eleni121]

The facts speak for themselves...and squarely against you.

Even lqclamar is now willing to admit thousands of Muslims fighting for the Allies

He has done no such thing. You are again mischaracterizing other people's posts. Conscripted colonial Muslims do not make for an allied army!

Hardly!

Dream on

[eleni121]

Mr. Ousmane Kassé (a decorated veteran of the French army and a Muslim) as a "phoney."

Je m'en fous...And who's to say he is not a "phoney" ---you post from an obscure French website and you hardly deem us worthy to elaborate on this character. Furthermore he is a single person of who knows what background.

C'mon...tell us about all those thousands of muslim conscripts again?

[zimdog]

it's really quite hard to say that they didn't fight for the allies when we have clear historical records of them fighting for the allies. lqclamar read the article and even though i think he's trying to fudge the numbers down, even he is willing to admit that 19,000 west african muslims fought for france against the nazis.

and i'll remind you, as i reminded him, that many honorable american g.i.s were also drafted. i hope you don't mean to suggest that they did not "make for an allied army!"

i understand that you do not like muslims -- that much is obvious -- but you need to accept reality. it reflects poorly on conservatives when you are willing to denigrate our military heroes in just to keep from praising muslims.

[zimdog]

i gave you the scheck article. here are some more things you can read:

"colonial conscripts" by myron echenberg

"la france et ses tirailleurs" by charles onana

"des tranchées de verdun à l'église saint-bernard" by bakari kamian

[zimdog]

Je m'en fous...And who's to say he is not a "phoney"

if you care to try to prove how that got those military medals by means other than military service, be my guest. i won't stop you from a wild goose chase.

[zimdog]

http://www.rfi.fr/actufr/images/056/senegal_tirailleurs.jpg

[zimdog]

http://nono.hautetfort.com/images/medium_ds_indigenes.jpg

[eleni121]

Unfortunately some of your sources are suspect including Onana...but it's a tortured attempt inteded to demonstrate that yes, there were former muslim slaves who were promised freedom if they fought with the french.

Gee whiz...is that all you have?

You need to get going with these original documents: direct, factual, and no political chicanery like the stuff you are posting.

http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/

[zimdog]

A cemetery, in the style of a West African mosque, where rest 188 West African troops killed defending France from the Nazis.

http://www.mairie-chasselay.fr/esprit_village/histoire/tata.jpg

[zimdog]

Unfortunately some of your sources are suspect including Onana...

And pray tell, why are the "suspect"?

[zimdog]

And no, there were no "slaves promised freedom" in 1940.

[Scotswife]

"It would probably be beneficial -- for the benefit of the many freepers who are currently crying "MSM conspiracy" every time they see an article about this incident that doesn't mention that the kid was Muslim -- that the Serbs who massacred the Bosnian Muslims were "Christians". Funny how the MSM is protecting the sensibilities of American Christians by not associating their religion with these massacres."


It is possible what we have here is a traumatized screwed up kid - who happens to be muslim.

Or

we have a muslim on a jihad mission.

Which is it?

[zimdog]

Gee whiz...is that all you have?

Three reputable books by reputable historians? No. There's more.

And I've seen your website. It has absolutely no evidence of hundreds of thousands of soldiers of African Muslims fighting for the Nazis.

[zimdog]

Another couple "indigenous" something or other from a website that glorifies the left winger SEGOLENE.

What? I gave you books, not websites.

[zimdog]

Gee whiz...is that all you have?

Here's some more.

http://www.ldh-toulon.net/spip.php?article290

Perhaps you'll call Samba Diallo a "phoney" too?

[lqclamar]

Since Zimdog in the business of falsely accusing others of "personally attacking" him, here's what REAL personal attacks against other freepers look like. All of them are by none other than Zimdog. In fact, all this guy does is spew insults of the most venomous, defamatory, and hateful kind:

1. Insinuates I have "wrongheaded, bigoted, or downright dangerous ideas" - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1785542/posts?page=137#137

2. Accuses Donna of bigotry and insinuates she sympathizes with Iran: "I'm just noting that you and the Iranian government are religiously bigoted" - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1785599/posts?page=176#176

3. Falsely accuses me of bigotry - "But I do think you're doing what's typical of your style -- making outlandish bigoted claims" - But I do think you're doing what's typical of your style -- making outlandish bigoted claims

4. Falsely accuses eleni121 of bigotry - "I'm sorry that you too much of a bigot to accept it." - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1785542/posts?page=75#75

5. Falsely accuses several freepers of bigotry - "A lot of the bigots posting on this thread not only can't tell the difference between Arabs and Muslims" - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1784652/posts?page=46#46 6. Falsely accuses me of bigotry for criticizing rap music - " Or as earlier cultural bigotry would have it:: "So respected that it devotes entire issues to the "culture" of jazz?" -http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1753652/posts?page=469#469

7. Falsely accuses me of bigotry - "Like I said, your bigotry is showing." - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1753652/posts?page=426#426

8. Falsely accuses me of bigotry - " Carefull, lqclamar, your bigotry is showing." - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1753652/posts?page=413#413

9. Falsely accuses me of bigotry and calls me un-american - "Un-American bigotry in the original." - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1753652/posts?page=412#412

10. Falsely accuses kittymyrib of supporting genocide - "your post makes you sound like you're defending "ethnic cleansing" - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1785542/posts?page=23#23

11. Falsely insinuates that eleni121 and serb29 support ethnic murder - "Perhaps you actually believe no that murders were committed or perhaps you don't care that the "wrong" people were killed." - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1785542/posts?page=31#31

12. Falsely accuses me of sympathy with non-muslim murderers - "Of course, you are all to happy to dismiss murderers not committed by Muslims." - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1785542/posts?page=107#107

13. Falsely accuses Centurion2000 of racism - " Oh. So you're using the racist argument." - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1779820/posts?page=84#84

14. Falsely accuses eleni121 of massacre denial - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1785542/posts?page=44#44

15. Refers to several freepers as "massacre deniers" in a post to norton - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1785542/posts?page=123#123

16. Insinuates that Donna sympathizes with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, accuses her of religious persecution - "I see you take the Ahmadinejad view towards religious persecution." - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1785599/posts?page=174#174 17. Accuses eleni121 of believing in Nazi propaganda - "what might be most disgusting is that someone who claims to be a conservative is swallowing nazi propaganda" - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1785542/posts?page=121#121

[lqclamar]

lqclamar read the article and even though i think he's trying to fudge the numbers down, even he is willing to admit that 19,000 west african muslims fought for france against the nazis.

The only numbers fudging was Zimdog, who originally used a base figure of over 275 thousand to take his "muslim troop count" when in reality less than half of those ever made it into the service, just over half of those ever made it to Europe, 10% were white French officers, and sizable portions of the remainder were from non-muslim colonies like Madagascar and the French colonies in central Africa. All of that information was in the original article he quoted from, but he chose not to share it - intentionally IMHO.

What also needs to be noted of the few muslim French troops that did serve is this: they were forced conscripts.

The Balkan nazi muslims were volunteers rounded up at their local mosques by Grand Mufti Husseini.

[lqclamar]

You're lucky he's even giving you photos. The last time I asked him for a source on the purported throngs of muslim allies he gave me a link to www.africultures.com - a marxist Afrocentic website that espouses slavery reparations and freeing Mumia in broken English.

[lqclamar]

Conscripted colonial Muslims do not make for an allied army!

There's a huge difference between GI draftees who get drawn from the selective service and people grabbed at random off the street by the French colonial press gangs.