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Pomologists Bite Off More Than They Can Chew With 200-Year-Old Apple Mystery
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 1-30-2007 | Richard Savill

Posted on 01/29/2007 6:40:07 PM PST by blam

Pomologists bite off more than they can chew with 200-year-old apple mystery

By Richard Savill
Last Updated: 2:01am GMT 30/01/2007

The identity of an apple variety that has been growing in Dorset for 200 years has left fruit specialists baffled.

For generations, the family of Diana Toms has affectionately referred to the fruit as Granfer's Apple, after her great, great grandfather who planted the tree in 1803.

The family has asked pomologists to help establish the cooking apple's identity but they have so far been unable to solve the mystery.

Mrs Toms, 83, said: "I am rather pleased it is baffling all these people. If nobody knows what it is then it should be officially called Granfer's Apple. I would like that."

Mrs Toms' great, great grandfather, Isaac Bugler, grew the tree in an orchard attached to the family home in the village of Beaminster, Dorset. Mrs Toms said: "When I was a child I learnt to catch by standing under the tree. My father would climb up and drop the apples down to me. It is a wonderful cooking apple and my family has used it in cakes and pies for years and years. But if you like a sharp and crisp taste, then the apple is equally good for eating."

Mrs Toms called in specialists at the Symondsbury Apple Day in Dorset but they could not identify it. David Squirrell, of the Symondsbury Apple Project, said: "Its appearance doesn't match up with any other variety. There are lots of things about it, the shape, closed eye and length of stalk. "It might be a new variety that nobody knows about but it is probably an old one that was forgotten about many, many years ago. A completely new variety is very, very rare."


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To: blam
Pomologists bite off more than they can chew.

The French word for potato is "Pomme de Terre" or, "Apple of the Earth".

The French word for "French Fry" is "Pomme Frite".

What is the French word for "Fried Apple"?

Sorry, I have never had an appropriate forum for this question.

41 posted on 01/29/2007 7:20:07 PM PST by dinasour (Pajamahadeen, SnowFlake, and Eeevil Doer.)
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To: jdm

Those apples are certainly ripe!


42 posted on 01/29/2007 7:21:02 PM PST by dljordan
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To: dinasour
What is the French word for "Fried Apple"?

I give up?

43 posted on 01/29/2007 7:21:38 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Enoch Powell was right.)
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To: paulat
"I feel sorry for them. Innocence is a short time."<

Oh, give it a rest. I guess your "kids" have never been to the beach??? The cheerleader outfit certainly covers more than any bikini.

44 posted on 01/29/2007 7:24:10 PM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: wireplay; paulat

Can you explain to me why a picture of a cheerleader is relevant to an articles about apples. One of the problems with FR in the last few years is the overabundance of meaningless "joke" responses. Some threads have no posts about the actual article, just "joke" replies. It kind of makes the point of the sight meaningless.


45 posted on 01/29/2007 7:25:16 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: jdm
I've had a couple of posts pulled lately that are no more than PG. I had no idea we were supposed to keep FR in the teletubbies range.


46 posted on 01/29/2007 7:31:29 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: nickcarraway
Some threads have no posts about the actual article, just "joke" replies.

I notice your post makes no references to Apples. Please try to stay on topic.

47 posted on 01/29/2007 7:31:55 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Enoch Powell was right.)
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To: nickcarraway
Lighten up Francis!


48 posted on 01/29/2007 7:32:06 PM PST by Pappy Smear
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To: Rudder

It wasn't the apple on the tree that caused all the trouble - it was the peach on the ground.


49 posted on 01/29/2007 7:34:48 PM PST by baubau
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To: nickcarraway

I didn't say that it was relevant. However, when people challenge me on how I act as a parent!?!? Give me a freakin' break.

FR has been that way since it started. I don't like it but i'm certainly not going to act like a bulletin board is suddenly going to be managed. These things (even before the internet) were unmanaged. What makes it different today?


50 posted on 01/29/2007 7:37:59 PM PST by wireplay
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To: jdm

"Pomologist?"

No, lunch!

My bad. Coy look and red faced.


51 posted on 01/29/2007 7:39:57 PM PST by lawdude (2006: The elections we will live to die for!)
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To: dighton

Speaking of apples, if anyone knows where (and when) I can find Northern Spy apples in Chicago, thanks in advance. All I can find are Tasteless But Pretty.


52 posted on 01/29/2007 7:42:24 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: blam

"A completely new variety is very, very rare."

Not so fast, there. As I remember, a new variety of Golden Delicious was found growing in the Bahamas not too long ago. Nothing like an apple that can grow in the heat of the tropics.


53 posted on 01/29/2007 7:53:23 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon Liberty, it is essential to examine principles, - -)
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To: dighton; jdm; blam; RikaStrom; Senator Bedfellow; Clemenza; 1rudeboy; Billthedrill
I see your pompomologist and your pomodorologist and raise the stakes to ...

... pompadourologist.

54 posted on 01/29/2007 7:54:42 PM PST by aculeus
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To: paulat

You need to get a grip! Seriously! If this bothers your children, they don't belong here! What do you do when we get those beautiful, wonderful pictures of Madeline Albright and Hillary Clinton?


55 posted on 01/29/2007 7:57:02 PM PST by shawv (President Bush close the borders! That is what your party wants!)
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To: blam

Interesting. Thanks.

jm


56 posted on 01/29/2007 7:57:43 PM PST by JockoManning (http://www.klove.com - - > listen online)
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To: All

It doesn't surprise me that they can't identify the variety offhand. Last I had heard, there were about 1,800 named varieties of apples in the U.S. if I recall correctly. That was in 1976. I almost took a graduate assistantship to research apple leaf photosynthesis at the U. of Michigan, but decided that wasn't particularly interesting.


57 posted on 01/29/2007 7:58:25 PM PST by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: jdm; paulat

I see you've met the local Taliban. Thanks for the pic.


58 posted on 01/29/2007 8:07:30 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: nickcarraway
Can you explain to me why a picture of a cheerleader is relevant to an articles about apples.

Can you explain to ME why an article about apples is relevant to the original charter of Free Republic?

Heck, a pic of a Dallas Cowboys Cheerleader seems more fitting fitting than an article about some apple tree planted in Italy or France 100 years ago! At least the cheerleader represents "America's Team."

What is this, grouchy old curmudgeon night on Free Republic?

59 posted on 01/29/2007 8:10:41 PM PST by bluefish (Are you really that thick, or are you simply trolling for fun?)
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To: dinasour
What is the French word for "Fried Apple"?

Excellent question. Now it's going to bother me, too!

60 posted on 01/29/2007 8:19:51 PM PST by conservative cat
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