Posted on 01/14/2007 5:31:07 PM PST by Tim Long
Assuming that you are both right that creation week was longer than 7 days - yet you may also choose to believe in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour - would you please pinpoint for me exactly where the 'allegories' end and the 'truth' begins?
For me it is only all true - 2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. Furthermore, fulfilled (and yet to be fulfilled) prophecies set the Bible distinct and unique among all other texts...
Radiocarbon and isotope dating methods rely upon uniformitarianism - here's a biblical def. of same -
Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as [they were] from the beginning of the creation.
Oh please. If I could do that I would truly "Know All" wouldn't I? I am not arrogant, or foolish enough to presume that much.
What I do instead is accept that I do not know everything, including where the allegories He provided begin and end, and use the intellect that He provided to make the best conclusions about our origins using the science and evidence He has allowed us to uncover. To do otherwise is to disregard the gifts He has given us.
Oh please. If I could do that I would truly "Know All" wouldn't I? I am not arrogant, or foolish enough to presume that much.
What I do instead is accept that I do not know everything, including where the allegories He provided begin and end, and use the intellect that He provided to make the best conclusions about our origins using the science and evidence He has allowed us to uncover. To do otherwise is to disregard the gifts He has given us.
Michigan Man, THANK YOU FOR SAYING IT SO WELL! I have only one word to add: Amen!
The only point I was trying to make here is that the creation story in Genesis is neither presented as an allegory nor a parable. Too bad you both seem to put more trust in science than in God's Word - the Holy Bible.
The Holy Bible is without equal in all the books of the world. It's the only one claimed to be inspired by the Holy Spirit and it's the only one that contains unmatched precision and accuracy with its fulfilled prophecies.
See Psalm 22 just for a description of Christ's death written approx 1000 years before His life. How about an amen to that?
Appropriately you got post nbr. 666 for that bit of expressed idiocy.
I have read and studied the Bible just a little bit. Your assertion above is probably something that you picked up somewhere along your path in the wilderness.
Maybe not, but it certainly does indicate a certain arrogance from where I sit. I suppose that I get that way myself from time to time, in the eyes of others.
I also suppose that it would not do much good to start quoting verses to you. I think not.
I think that your perception of the New Testament, is a bit jaded, and uninformed in at least one Way.
The title of the thread is indeed laughable. It is also absurd, unscientific, and not supported anywhere in the Bible text.
It also has nothing to do with what I posted about your (and others) silly drivel
What is truly laughable is the notion that you have any idea whatsoever about what you are talking about here.
The birth of Christ.
Actualy many places through out the world have very acurate acient drawings and figurines of people and dinosaurs in which the word dinosaur was only invented approx. a hundred and 50 years ago, this evidence actiuly shows more promise to the fact that dinosaurs did live with humans than there is evidence that they didnt. Even Marco Polo wrote of what He saw as Flying Serpants in the Arabian dessert. Even in middle ages and the dragon thing, and breathing fire dragons, well in the bible it speaks of the Leviathon who no one could conqour and that smoke came from its nostrils, oh yeah, did you know chickens have the genetics for teeth. Oh yeah and the cealocanth exstinct over 65 million years ago wasnt it, people have caught them even in this modern day. Oh yeah did you know that fossilising something doesnt actualy take a long time, which evolutionists so secretly try to hide, they have found sausage links, a foot in a hat, and many more things of recent date, all fossilised, all fossilising ids is when minerals replace the decayed matter and turn to a rock form. Absolutely factual, doesnt have to take a long time whatsoever. Oh yeah how about irreducible complexity, Or you cant add to the genetic code we know this now with latest technology, cant add to genetic code that throws out the monkey to man gibberish, along with the absolute impossibility mathmaticaly to geneticaly mutate into a bird from a fish, remember cant add to the genetic code( oh my goodness why are evolutionists so dis honest) shall I keep going? first Darwin said it was pangenes, we know now thats complete garbage, then people said its mutations we know now thats complete mathmatical garbage 10 to the 21 power just to get three mutations let alone for them to be related, let alone for them to be beneficial, gues what? ZERO % possibility!!!! for mutations even evolutionists now admit this so what do they do in there embarrasment, they create another adhock bunch of no science garbage called punctuated equalibrium, which is just as stupid asthe other two explanations. So much more!!!!! Honest people search Honestly!!!!!
Blindly believeing in evolution, is just like someone saying I believe it I saw it on TV! So you have made a remark but you should take your own rebuke, because such a statement is exactly what naive evolutionists bandwagon propagandisers of evolution do. They believe anything that keeps them from consequences, just like all those of old who were shown the foolishnes of their folly in time. Evolution is nothing more than a religion to avoid facing sin. Every knee will bow and every tounge will confess!
Actualy radio carbon dating has often inaccurate, along with other methods, one example when rocks were secretly taken from a volcano and taken to a lab all the rocks from the volcano used were dated with the most modern of "so called" accurate dating methods I believe its potassium argon dating and the rocks and I will say all the rocks dated were all at different dates and totaled at over a million years old, but guess what the rocks were all from the same place and they were taken from the eruption at Mt St. Helens, thats just one of many inaccuracys from so called accurate dating methods today, and for radio carbon dating it is said eveb by the inventor is only accurate for up to 50,000 years which they have tested things that were supossed to be beyond 50,000 years and they were still full of carbon 14 which gives great evidence to ayoung earth, also when you factor population growths backwards it comes down to man only having been on the earth for,-you guessed it approx. 6,000 years and another coincidence that just happens to be the exact timeline of the bible. many many more examples as this. Search for the truth if thats what your realy about! Those who want to avoid the consequences of their actions, invent an excuse!
There are many historians who werent even Christians and had nothing to do with the bible who wrote of christ and what they saw, including pliny the younger, thallus and many more, and they even wrote of the darkrning of the sky when Chrit was crucified it seemed as an eclipse but couldnt be it was without reasoning one of the historians refferred to. Also after of nero and his blaming of the Christians for Rome burning, if there was no Christ who rose from the dead, how come shortly after the history of Christ all these Christians came on the seen, they must of believed he actualy rose, because people will die for a lie they think is true, but they wont and know where in history do people die for something they know is a lie! When the believers were shown that Christ rose from the dead and some had even seen it, and even writers as Polycarp who knew some of the believers written in the bible, were willing to die for the acknowledgment of Christ rising from the dead. In which such a powerful figure in Life as Christ, they can find all the bones of other so called prophets of other self proclaimed religous beliefs. But Christs are not found! That should scare the daylights out you my friend!!!! Every knee will bow and every tounge will confess!!!! Also Christ said, those who are ashamed of me I will be ashamed of them. Look honestly! not arrogantly, be wise! and sincere! not with arrogance that leads to folly!
Blow it out your ass.
Your knowledge of radiometric dating seems freshly acquired from creationist websites. It doesn't impress me in the least.
I have been studying and doing radiocarbon dates for nearly 30 years, and my knowledge of the subject is from first-hand experience.
I have included some links, below, for you to study. I am confident that you will not even look at them, but anyone else who wants some good, quick, and accurate information on radiocarbon and radiometric dating is invited to peruse them.
ps. In your zeal to smite the heathen evilutionists you have neglected spelling, grammar, sentence structure, and punctuation. That is not very impressive either. (You are not off to a very good start.)
ReligiousTolerance.org Carbon-14 Dating (C-14): Beliefs of New-Earth CreationistsRadiometric Dating: A Christian Perspective by Dr. Roger C. Wiens.
This site, BiblicalChronologist.org has a series of good articles on radiocarbon dating.
Are tree-ring chronologies reliable? (The Biblical Chronologist, Vol. 5, No. 1)
Tree Ring and C14 DatingHow does the radiocarbon dating method work? (The Biblical Chronologist, Vol. 5, No. 1)
How precise is radiocarbon dating?
Is radiocarbon dating based on assumptions?
Has radiocarbon dating been invalidated by unreasonable results?
Radiocarbon WEB-info Radiocarbon Laboratory, University of Waikato, New Zealand.
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