Posted on 12/15/2006 7:22:32 PM PST by FarRockaway
To: The Republican Party
I am a Christian conservative or social conservative. I am Pro-Life. I vote.
Rudy Giuliani is pro-gay, pro-gun control, and pro-abortion.
For these reasons and others, I state very firmly that I will not vote for Rudy Giuliani for President of the United States under any circumstances.
Senator John McCain has waffled on human cloning, has supported experimentation on human embryos, and has attacked prominent Christian clergy because of the, "evil influence that they exercise." John McCain has said of Pro-Life voters, on a public broadcast radio show, that they are, "otherwise intelligent people who say that that's the only issue that will determine their vote." McCain told the San Francisco Chronicle, "I would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade."
For these reasons and others, I state very firmly that I will not vote for John McCain for President of the United States under any circumstances.
Sincerely,
You said -- "It's that simple. Read the Gospel and epistles of John. Don't make it more complicated."
Christian sources documenting the non-Christian nature of Mormonism have already made it clear that Mormonism using language that sounds similar to Christianity but that they deny the basic doctrines and are therefore *non-Christian*.
See the newspaper links providing an insight to the positions of the Methodists, Southern Baptists, Presbyterians, and Catholics on Mormonism. They refuse to accept them as Christians.
Even the Mormon representative (in that article) acknowledged that they *are not recognized* as Christian. His answer to that predicament is that they should try harder to be recognized (but they still deny the basics of the faith).
Regards,
Star Traveler
You said -- "Uncited, naturally."
No, actually *you* cited one yourself (by accident, I'm sure).
It's at the site where you referenced this page --
http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/cri/law.htm
When you look through those pages of that web site you referenced -- you'll find their *expose* of the *non-Christian nature* of Mormonism.
http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Cults/mormon.htm
I'm glad you found a "cite" -- even though it was accidental, to be sure...
Regards,
Star Traveler
You said -- "But to you, I wish you a good afternoon. Keep your sources, we'll need them again! I'm outta here :)"
And, likewise, I've got chores to do. Someone is hounding me to do them... :-)
But, when you get back, you'll have to see where that other poster provided his *own cite* to the *non-Christian nature* of the Mormon religion. It was so funny, that he did this by accident. He referenced a web site where someone was criticizing Hank Hanegraaff, and it also had *ample documentation* of the *non-Christian religion* of Mormonism. What a find. I'm glad he did that, although, I'm sure he wasn't intending to do that.
He referenced this --
http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/cri/law.htm
But, it also shows this --
http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Cults/mormon.htm
verifying that Mormonism is a non-Christian religion and a cult.
Regards,
Star Traveler
Exposing Walter Martin.
You gave us a reference from "The Christian Sentinel"
http://www.cultlink.com/news/june_2003_sentinel_eupdate.htm
I'm glad you're continuing to provide *cites* to the *non-Christian* religion of Mormonism. It's fantastic that you're starting to find those cites now.
The Christian Sentinel says --
"However, it can be similarly argued that the Mormon apologists try to discredit any new product that attacks their faith, no matter how accurate the product is. Abanes should be commended for exposing the Mormon Church, which is not only founded on lies, but it is spiritually dangerous and corrupt as well. Mormonism is not Christian, and its doctrines are damnable."
Hmmm, that source that you cited calls the Mormon doctrines *damnable*. Interesting...
It's at --
http://www.cultlink.com/news/apr_2003_sentinel_eupdate.htm
That's a great find for the *non-Christian religion* of Mormonism and even that their doctrines are "damnable" (as The Christian Sentinel" says).
Regards,
Star Traveler
You said -- "Exposing Walter Martin."
And also exposing the *non-Christian religion* of Mormonism and their *cult* status.
Like I said -- great find...
Regards,
Star Traveler
Well, since Mojave has been providing "cites" to the *non-Christian religion* of Mormonism and that they are a *cult* -- I think it's time for me to go and do chores.
Thanks Mojave. I couldn't have done a better job...
Regards,
Star Traveler
1 Corinthians 12:3; John 3:36; John 5:24
Now, be careful. If you dispute this simple and powerful truth you will directly accuse the Holy Spirit of falsehood.
As for how all of this pertains to presidential candidates I would remind you that Carter and Clinton were Southern Baptists.
Judge righteous judgment.
You said -- "Jesus is Lord. So I confess. So does every faithful member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Sainsts that I ever knew confess."
All the prior links and references, listed in this very long thread -- provide all the information to document the *non-Christian* nature of Mormonism. That religion does not adhere to or follow the basic doctrines of Christianity.
Even the Mormon representative, in the newspaper article recognize that this *is the case* -- from other Christian denominations.
There's not a need to relist all the documentation, here, in this particular post, when it's there up above. Just take all that information for whatever you want to do with it.
By the way, have you checked out Jerald and Sandra Tanner's website, regarding the non-Christian nature of Mormonism? (listed up above, too). Sandra Tanner was the great granddaugther of Brigham Young, and she says her family is still *quite involved* with the Mormon religion. So, she apparently knows it from the "inside out". That should be a good source for you, since you are a Mormon. She was a Mormon, too, and related to Brigham Young and still has family in the religion.
Regards,
Star Traveler
A very nicely done post, indeed. I don't agree with every aspect of emphasis, but then, clones are hard to find. :) Whether one disagrees or not, you crafted a fine mini brief. You missed your calling.
Somebody wrote an essay a couple of years back, that what you noted is why WASPS still have a leg up in getting elected POTUS, even as their percentage of the population slowly shrinks. WASPS have more religious "freedom" in a political sense. They have so many sects to choose from, or can just be deists, and few really mind, because they are not violative of their declared faith. They can't use the "a" word and get elected though, in most places, even if an adjective is appended.
Your as yet unsupported assertion was that "Christianity" called the LDS a cult.
The problem with "use the primaries" is that if all the money gets vaccuumed up by Rudy-McCain NOW, then the true conservative(s) are going to have an incredibly difficult time getting $ and air time.
No $, no media = big problems.
So the primaries, which are an extension of the will of the people, are really to be decided now, by us.
Let's remove $ and airtime from Rudyjohn, and give it to Tancredo, Brownback, Santorum, Pence.
Huh?
Where'd you get that?
No. I would write-in or vote third party.
And if the core conservatives, the base, the principled 35% said, "The candidate supports the platform or we bolt", and said it long and loud now, the Repubs would have to listen.
Well, Joe Smith died in a gun fight, he was chased by prosecutors across the north-east for fraud, he published a prophecy declaring there were men on the moon who were five feet tall and dressed like quakers, and he had so many women no one can identify them all. He wrote "the book of Abraham" which he alleged was a translation of an Egyptian heiroglyph scroll. The original scroll and Smith's original translation thereof fell into the hands of credible academic institutions, who laughed themselves silly at Smith's "translation" before the Mormon elders appeared and paid a huge summ of money to purchase the translation back and file it away safely in the Mormon archives where it has never been read from again. The Mormon church is a massive commercial enterprise, owning many businesses and raking in millions. Its founders have populated the west with their thousands of descendants from huge numbers of women. During temple initiation ceremonies, participants take blood oaths calling down murderous curses on themselves if they ever reveal the secrets of the temple and authorizing fellow mormons to kill them if they do. They swear up and down that the American Indians are middle-eastern descendants despite the fact that DNA studies have shown them to be descended from Mongolians. They wear holy underwear which many of them claim is literally bulletproof.
These are the beliefs and committments of Mitt Romney.
Such beliefs and committments matter. And as to whether
or not this is a cult?
Let's see: false, extremist, unconventional living, under the guidance of an authoritarian charismatic leader!
Hmmmm. Maybe they are just playing a big, protacted, McDonald's Happy Meal game over the entire state of Utah.
Quote him.
I would forward Tancredo as this blend of economic, foreign policy, and social conservative. He's got common sense guts towards our enemies. He advocated bombing Terrorist-Islamist revered holy sites if terrorists committ terror acts against civillians. He is for border control. He is for low taxes and small government. And social conservatives, religious conservatives, will support him.
"Tom Tancredo"
I'd vote Hillary if he was the choice.
[Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believe that Jesus Christ is the only begotten of the Father]
Blatantly untrue.
LDS believes that Jesus is one of many children of God the Father, believing that each and every member of the Mormon church who does specific things can and will become co-equal with Jesus.
Don't complicate it by...saying false things.
Give it to Duncan Hunter qas weel.
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