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Mary Cheney's pregnancy affects us all
Townhall ^ | 12/07/2006 | Janice Shaw Crouse

Posted on 12/07/2006 7:16:54 AM PST by Responsibility2nd

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To: Responsibility2nd

It affects you because it is human. If you undermine what humanity is, laws made by humans have no basis at all, and the reason for our entire government collapses.

Cheney's kid: Alive.
Aborted kid: Dead.

This really isn't complicated. You shouldn't have to ask.

And just because the media chooses to make a circus out of poor Mary Cheney doesn't mean it's 'public' behavior any more then it would be if the media started reporting on the sexual habits of the VP.


301 posted on 12/07/2006 11:25:48 AM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: zbigreddogz

Maybe you aren't aware, but the legal underpinnings of legal abortion are a "right to privacy."

It grew from contraception to abortion and now is being used to support homosexual behavior and soon polygamy.

You don't embrace a legal argument on one topic and then kick out its feet on the next. You need to be consistent.


302 posted on 12/07/2006 11:26:11 AM PST by SoothingDave (Are you on the list?)
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To: Responsibility2nd

most of those children had heterosexual parents whose fathers walked out on the them, or refused to pay up and the mother was either forced to work several dead end jobs or go on welfare in some impoverished community

Mary Cheney's situation has absolutely NOTHING in common with those


303 posted on 12/07/2006 11:26:55 AM PST by ChurtleDawg (kill em all)
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To: zbigreddogz

you feel that mary cheney's engineering a child as a product of a lesbian relationship is a private affair and hurts no one, there are others, myself included, who LAMENT national trends like lesbians turkey basting babies into existence, and fatherless families, as a national trend harmful to society at large. personal invective against someone who holds the opposite viewpoint brings no weight/honor to your opinion.


304 posted on 12/07/2006 11:27:14 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: He Rides A White Horse
The closest thing I've come to would have been letting Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia beat each other to death. Then rebuild.

Uh, that's kind of what we did, you know. Stalin was screaming for a second front long before June 1944. There were reasons we stalled beyond sheer logistical ones.
305 posted on 12/07/2006 11:27:27 AM PST by Antoninus (Rudy as nominee = President Hillary. Why else do you think the media love him?)
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To: Wormwood

LOL! That's about all most psychiatric "help" is worth, really.


306 posted on 12/07/2006 11:28:16 AM PST by Antoninus (Rudy as nominee = President Hillary. Why else do you think the media love him?)
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To: little jeremiah

Big Government wasn't shoving anything down your throat, it was stopping you from preventing another person from using his own property in a legal manner. Same thing as if the anti-trans-fat people wanted to stop a Burger King from opening--their morality is not a trump card, even if it might have been in the majority in this neighborhood. The punchline is that the good old capitalist system worked where the morality police couldn't.


307 posted on 12/07/2006 11:30:15 AM PST by drjimmy
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To: zbigreddogz
And so the media was wrong on focusing on the sexual habits of Bill Clinton? Do you really believe that?

You really should read what you write before hitting the send button.

308 posted on 12/07/2006 11:30:24 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (Abortion is to family planning what bankruptcy is to financial planning)
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To: SoothingDave
Maybe you aren't aware, but the legal underpinnings of legal abortion are a "right to privacy."

To quote something I heard in 2nd grade: "No S#!t Sherlock, where'd you get the F*&king clue?"

You don't embrace a legal argument on one topic and then kick out its feet on the next. You need to be consistent.

Yah, because, clearly, I was making a legal arguement. I mean, I refered to the SC, cited cases just like out of a law school textbook and all that. /sarcasm

And clearly, it's impossible to believe in a concept of privacy unless you embrace RvW. /sarcasm

And EVEN IF I WAS making a legal arguement, which I clearly wasn't, it's not only possible, but consistent, to say that while a general right to privacy is good, it doesn't apply when there is a non-consenting party involved. aka the dead kid in an abortion.

But anyhow, keep it up. It's fun ridiculing your mindbogglingly stupid arguements.

309 posted on 12/07/2006 11:31:54 AM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: linda_22003

I don't have time to do a search, but you used to appear on our threads now and then to nitpick and make snide remarks. My point is that you are entitled to your opinions. But, remember, so are the rest of us. In this case, we're commenting on a decision made by someone who is in the public eye.

This story isn't only about Cheney and her child; rather, it's another in a series of stories about a movement that affects everything, including school teachings, the definition of marriage, free speech, etc.


310 posted on 12/07/2006 11:32:37 AM PST by Tired of Taxes (That's taxes, not Texas. I have no beef with TX. NJ has the highest property taxes in the nation.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

The fact that Cheney had a lesbian daughter to begin with should have disqualified him from being on a conservative Republican ticket. Its not like he just found out in 2001. The idiots in charge of Bush's campaign are to blame for this even coming up.


311 posted on 12/07/2006 11:32:39 AM PST by Democratshavenobrains
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To: little jeremiah

I believe scientists using DNA were able to link sally hemming's descendants to Thomas Jefferson beyond a reasonable doubt.
It also was well known in his time; The Federalists, particularly John Adams and his allies, used it to blacken Jefferson's reputation

If you use him as an example of righteous behavior, I can also show that he was a slaveowning deadbeat dad responsible for fatherless children

And where in ANY of Thomas Jefferson's, james Madison's, or John Adam's writings do you find any policy statements about lesbian couples having children?


312 posted on 12/07/2006 11:33:15 AM PST by ChurtleDawg (kill em all)
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To: zbigreddogz
Given the website we are on, you must have clearly been making a legal argument for political activism, right?
313 posted on 12/07/2006 11:33:16 AM PST by SoothingDave (Are you on the list?)
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To: Antoninus
Stalin was screaming for a second front long before June 1944.

...but then we gave him half of Europe. When I said beat the hell out of each other, I meant beat the hell out f each other. To the end.

314 posted on 12/07/2006 11:34:34 AM PST by He Rides A White Horse (unite)
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To: Responsibility2nd
And so the media was wrong on focusing on the sexual habits of Bill Clinton? Do you really believe that?

Wow, don't tell me you've actually bought into the liberal notion that "Clinton's behavior was just about sex," have you?

Please tell me you didn't miss the fact that it was with his OWN EMPLOYEE, and that he LIED TO A GRAND JURY about it.

It was about abuse of power and purgery. Not his private behavior. You should know this.

315 posted on 12/07/2006 11:35:05 AM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: little jeremiah

I am no fan of parades, but they are protected under our first amendment as free speech and free assembly

and laws about juvenile delinquency, public indecency and sex in public are completely irrelevant to this discussion

sodomy laws are a place that the government has no right to go. that is my belief


316 posted on 12/07/2006 11:36:34 AM PST by ChurtleDawg (kill em all)
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To: zbigreddogz
It's fun ridiculing your mindbogglingly stupid arguements.

use of ad hominem generally indicates one is losing the argument.

317 posted on 12/07/2006 11:36:50 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: He Rides A White Horse
....and you'll be wearing a burka in the real world with you attitude. Count on it.

You're just jealous that the Mullahs may beat you to it.
318 posted on 12/07/2006 11:37:42 AM PST by drjimmy
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To: ChurtleDawg
I believe scientists using DNA were able to link sally hemming's descendants to Thomas Jefferson beyond a reasonable doubt. It also was well known in his time; The Federalists, particularly John Adams and his allies, used it to blacken Jefferson's reputation

blah, blah, blah......

Conservative caught 'paging' page boys; black smear on all conservatives.

Barney Frank; frankly is as harmless as Barney the Dinosaur.

Talk about double standards and creating facts on the ground.

You really think we're stupid, don't you.

319 posted on 12/07/2006 11:38:09 AM PST by He Rides A White Horse (unite)
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To: SoothingDave

A legal arguement and a political arguement are different things. I've already proven why I was right on both counts. If you are too dumb to understand why, that's your problem.

Also, I would favor laws that said Government has no right to regulate the sexual behavior between two concenting adults. Although that's not in the Constitution, I think it would be good policy.


320 posted on 12/07/2006 11:38:15 AM PST by zbigreddogz
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