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BREAKING NEWS: Two Border Patrol Agents who wounded a drug smuggler given 11 and 12 years prison.
Lou Dobbs / CNN | 10-19-06 | no dems

Posted on 10/19/2006 3:37:27 PM PDT by no dems

Edited on 10/19/2006 4:07:46 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Ex-border agents sentenced for shooting smuggler
AP

EL PASO, Texas -- Two former U.S. Border Patrol agents were each sentenced Thursday to more than a decade in federal prison for shooting a Mexican drug smuggler and then trying to cover it up.

Ignacio Ramos was sentenced to 11 years and one day, and Jose Alonso Compean was sentenced to 12 years. Both were fired after their convictions on several charges including assault with a deadly weapon, obstruction of justice, and a civil rights violation.

The men, neither of whom spoke in court, will be allowed to turn themselves in Jan. 17.

The agents have proclaimed their innocence in the Feb. 17, 2005, shooting of admitted drug smuggler Osvlado Aldrete Davila.

Aldrete was shot in the buttocks as he fled across the Rio Grande into Mexico after a confrontation with Ramos and Compean. The agents said they shot in self defense, but prosecutors charged that they had no reason to shoot at the fleeing man, who later claimed he was unarmed.

Since their convictions, support for the agents has swelled. Several prominent law makers, including U.S. Rep. James Sensenbrenner, the Wisconsin Republican who chairs the House judiciary committee, have even called for a Congressional investigation into the agents' prosecutions.

The union representing most rank and file Border Patrol agents established a legal defense fund. And civilian border watch groups have asked the U.S. Attorney General's office to review the case and throw out the jury's guilty verdicts.


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: agents; aliens; bds; border; borderagents; bordersecurity; davila; illegalaliens; immigrantlist; invasionusa; mexico
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To: phoenix0468
So, you're saying that if an intruder came into my house and I shot him, he subsequently got away, and before the police came I decided to pick up my shell casings they would arrest me and put me away for twenty years?

It's called tampering with evidence, and it's why one rotten apple in the police force can make life miserable for the whole department.

281 posted on 10/19/2006 4:55:47 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Karl Rove you magnificent bastard!)
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To: rottndog
Bush is truly a dishonorable man.

Uh Bush had nothing to do with it. BTW, you do know a jury of 12 of your peers actually decided the guilt.

But what the hey being knee jerk feels so much better.

282 posted on 10/19/2006 4:56:34 PM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: eleni121

So you supporters of this decision would rather back the word of an illegal alien drug smuggler in this case? No...this is a stupid decision to even prosecute this case. The US Attorney's office should have a large Freep.

Johnny Sutton is the US Attorney there. Debra Kanof and Jose Luis Gonzalez prosecuted on behalf of the US Attorney.

The whole matter is indemic to how stupid this admin is on border security. And I voted for Bush twice.


283 posted on 10/19/2006 4:56:44 PM PDT by cmiller623 (Mayor Antonio Villa....or never mind. Los Angeles is doomed!)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
"Firing 15 shots at an unarmed civilian, no matter who they are, is not upholding the law."

That's 910 speak. Our government constantly reminds us that we are in the middle of a war yet our Justice Department prosecutes Americans defending our borders. Do you not see the hypocrisy in this? Do you think the North Koreans would prosecute their soldiers if they shot foreigners infiltrating their country in the middle of a war? As a country we need to decide if we are at war once and for all and act accordingly. Otherwise pull these patriots off the border and let Vicente's invasion go forth unabated.

284 posted on 10/19/2006 4:56:46 PM PDT by blaquebyrd
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To: Baynative
is hard to believe unless there is something that we aren't being told about this case.

What you weren't told: Compean fired off fifteen rounds, they didn't make any report at all until the IG asked them what had happened, and it turned out they had sterilized the crime scene immediately after the shooting.

It wasn't the shooting. It was the cover-up.

285 posted on 10/19/2006 4:56:55 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: Sir Gawain
And the terrorism supporter got 28 months to add insult to injury in relation to this case.

That one is so grotesquely outrageous, I have not even been able to comment on it. Thank goodness for Andrea Peyser (in this case...).

Okay, finally, the one thing I'll comment on, I've held it in so long, but... I noticed she shaved for the sentencing.

*meow*

Beyond that, and back to the topic at hand, this is where I exit the original argument of this thread... "Some men you just can't reach."

Nice to see ya, SirG... it's been too damn long.

286 posted on 10/19/2006 4:56:59 PM PDT by AnnaZ (I think so, Brain, but if we give peas a chance, won't the lima beans feel left out?)
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To: muawiyah
Oh, there is something to this case in that two agents who knew better and were experienced failed to report they shot their guns off at someone.

They were in their rights to do it, but what they did makes their bosses and pubic wonder what the thinking could be.
They did that to themselves, but years is ridiculous.

Jobs lost and two years probation with no rights to own and carry weapons again would have been plenty IMO.
287 posted on 10/19/2006 4:57:36 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
Where do you have the idea everybody has a "forensics team". In many parts of the country the only folks you are going to see is the Sheriff to secure the perps wallet and other papers, and the coroner.

Maybe the Volunteer Fire Department will haul away the body.

The homeowner is going to be free to start cleaning things up and calling a lawyer to get a civil case going against the dead guy's estate, or his relatives, to pay for it all.

288 posted on 10/19/2006 4:57:54 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: cmiller623
So you supporters of this decision would rather back the word of an illegal alien drug smuggler in this case?

Uh it was 12 of your peers on a jury who decided the trial.

289 posted on 10/19/2006 4:57:58 PM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: blaquebyrd
That's 910 speak. Our government constantly reminds us that we are in the middle of a war yet our Justice Department prosecutes Americans defending our borders. Do you not see the hypocrisy in this?

No, all I see is you and a bunch of other bozo's trying to pin this on Bush.

290 posted on 10/19/2006 4:58:10 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Karl Rove you magnificent bastard!)
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To: no dems
I worked for and voted for George W. Bush both times he ran for Governor of Texas and both times he ran for President. I'd vote for him again.

How odd, then, that you were badmouthing him here BEFORE the 2004 election and ever since.

The internet leaves a trail.

291 posted on 10/19/2006 4:58:33 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: PRND21
I answered Anna question...what are you talking about?

I'm talking about the 10+ year sentences these guys got vs. the lawyer that only got 28 months for providing support for terrorists. The sentencing priorities seem a little backward to me. I guess you see nothing wrong with this situation.

292 posted on 10/19/2006 4:59:11 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: AnnaZ; Sir Gawain

Boy are you both right, that anarchist lawyer who was a traitor to the country should have gotten life.

The judges are retarded/liberal in these cases I bet.


293 posted on 10/19/2006 4:59:37 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: blaquebyrd
Our government constantly reminds us that we are in the middle of a war yet our Justice Department prosecutes Americans defending our borders. Do you not see the hypocrisy in this?

Where is the anger at 12 of your peers who actually decided this case.

294 posted on 10/19/2006 4:59:39 PM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: A CA Guy; PRND21
The Judge, in this case, was in fact nominated by President Bush in 2003. The Judge's resume is pretty good (I've just read it). Appears the judge is going by the laws on the books, given the facts you and PRND21 have provided.

Can either of you explain WHY the horridly long sentences?

295 posted on 10/19/2006 4:59:50 PM PDT by Alia
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To: no dems
I think every Freeper in Texas should vote against Governor Rick Perry on November 7 as a protest. He refused to intervene on behalf of the Border Patrol Agents.

Governor Perry chose to allow the lawful process to prevail. Nobody has been denied the right to appeal. To intervene at this point would be an injustice to the accused (now convicted), and the citizens of Texas. I have a radical idea. We observe the laws of the State of Texas.

296 posted on 10/19/2006 5:00:36 PM PDT by ARealMothersSonForever (We shall never forget the atrocities of September 11, 2001.)
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To: Tony Snow

pardon?


297 posted on 10/19/2006 5:00:59 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Caliphate News Network... Whores for terrorists.)
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To: A.Hun
Not here in Fairfax County, Virginia, Not San Diego county. Not in the Maryland Panhandle (although in Baltimore and Southern MD you'll need to appear in court at least once, but if you're FBI you get off every single time.

Not sure where you live but things are rarely handled in real life like they are in CSI. It's actually more like Jack Bauer's situation.

In New York, for example, the only way a cop gets in trouble is if he misuses an authorized instrument like a broken broomstick or something.

298 posted on 10/19/2006 5:01:17 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Alia
Can either of you explain WHY the horridly long sentences?

Do the words America, Mexico, butt, smooch mean anything to you?

299 posted on 10/19/2006 5:01:49 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: BigSkyFreeper
Firing 15 shots at an unarmed civilian

Firing 15 shots at a drug smuggler and not putting him down for good--that's the crime.

300 posted on 10/19/2006 5:02:03 PM PDT by JCEccles
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