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Free Republic Poll on Evolution
Free Republic ^ | 22 September 2006 | Vanity

Posted on 09/22/2006 2:09:33 PM PDT by PatrickHenry

Free Republic is currently running a poll on this subject:

Do you think creationism or intelligent design should be taught in science classes in secondary public schools as a competing scientific theory to evolution?
You can find the poll at the bottom of your "self search" page, also titled "My Comments," where you go to look for posts you've received.

I don't know what effect -- if any -- the poll will have on the future of this website's science threads. But it's certainly worth while to know the general attitude of the people who frequent this website.

Science isn't a democracy, and the value of scientific theories isn't something that's voted upon. The outcome of this poll won't have any scientific importance. But the poll is important because this is a political website. How we decide to educate our children is a very important issue. It's also important whether the political parties decide to take a position on this. (I don't think they should, but it may be happening anyway.)

If you have an opinion on this subject, go ahead and vote.


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To: PatrickHenry

Wow!

A thousand post thread on a poll notification. You really missed your calling in marketing.

I'm only slightly surprised to find the yesses winning.

Could Designed Universe be "FReeping" your poll?


941 posted on 09/26/2006 7:45:21 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Liberal Classic
I keep wondering why life science class has to talk about biblical creation. Are people going to want to talk about Noah's flood in earth science? What happened to Sunday school?

You apparently missed the memo outlining the principal tenets of "new conservatism."

1. Government bureaucrats and public school teachers are at best incompetent, at worst actively evil, in all things other than determining the will of God (for which they are uniquely well qualified).

2. Hence, the power of government bureaucrats and public school teachers must be strictly limited to the implementation and teaching of Biblical Christianity.

942 posted on 09/26/2006 7:53:57 AM PDT by atlaw
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To: atlaw
2. Hence, the power of government bureaucrats and public school teachers must be strictly limited to the implementation and teaching of Biblical Christianity.

Those advocating such powers for government somehow always assume that theirs will be the preferred doctrine. It never occurs to them that when the Inquisition comes, they might be the rackee, and not the rackor.

943 posted on 09/26/2006 8:23:17 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Science-denial is not conservative. It's reality-denial and that's what liberals do.)
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To: muawiyah
Archeologists?

You're going to have to go a fur piece with your explanation of how archaeologists are supporting evolution

The reference was to the global flood, not evolution. That's easily within the time frame with which we work.

944 posted on 09/26/2006 8:26:24 AM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Coyoteman
Alas, the global flood is coincident with one (or maybe all) of 3 major flooding events. One is the Mediterranean spill into Black Lake event. Folks living on the plains around the lake would undoubtedly have noticed a large flood in the vicinity (as they fled for their lives).

Another major flood occurred when the North American icecap melted. This one was not as dramatic as the earlier one when the greater bulk of the Antarctic ice cap melted.

That one generated vast quantities of melt water in a short time, and it's possible that it was released suddenly generating a massive tsunami that penetrated all the way to the North Pacific and Atlantic oceans.

They'd remembered that one too if they were living up in the mountains ~

However, that was 16,000 or so years ago ~ before writing ~ and I think it's probably impossible to transmit oral tradition from 14,000 BC to 5,000 BC about any matters of major importance.

The Black Lake event is older than the "young earth" crowd computes so it couldn't have happened and the whole place is still totally freshwater (right ~ bwahahahahahahaha))

945 posted on 09/26/2006 8:32:41 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Coyoteman

What a complete and total waste of time Placemarker.

Pearls to Swine.


946 posted on 09/26/2006 8:33:52 AM PDT by Jaguarbhzrd
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To: muawiyah
Google "channeled scablands"
947 posted on 09/26/2006 8:37:40 AM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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Tagline change placemarker.
948 posted on 09/26/2006 8:39:15 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (When the Inquisition comes, you may be the rackee, not the rackor.)
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To: freedumb2003

No sweat.

I mostly like to jangle starchy, fossilized sensibilities across the broad topic, values front. Christians get even worse from me.

I don't mind sarcasm that's not overly blood thirsty against one's personhood. Against ideas, perspectives and positions is fine with me. Adds spice to things.

But I really dislike those who dish it out ruthlessly but have very thin skins about taking it. You don't seem too bad on such scores.

I pray you have a blessed day at work and in all your close relationships,

Sincerely,


949 posted on 09/26/2006 8:39:22 AM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: metmom
If those things are adequate evidence for scientists, the the written testimony of people who lived with Jesus and talked to Him is adequate to use as hard evidence that He lived and died and is everything He said He was, so when He said that God created the heavens and the earth, it has all the weight of the scientific peer reviewed research papers that scientists put their faith in.

Absolutely unbelievable, no, written testimony is not the same as scientifically peer reviewed papers.

Any scientist, anywhere, can take those papers, and experiments, and repeat them, again, again, and again, and if those experiments or papers are true, the scientist will come up with the same result, over, and over and over again.

Quite a big difference, between a peer reviewed scientific paper, and the bible. A peer reviewed paper can be verified, you can literally verify it yourself, if you have the equipment.

you have to take on faith, the bible and what it says. It is impossible to verify it, in any way, shape, or form.

950 posted on 09/26/2006 8:41:07 AM PDT by Jaguarbhzrd
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To: FreedomProtector; betty boop; PatrickHenry; js1138; freedumb2003; metmom; DaveLoneRanger; ...

FYI ya'll

Just received a phone call from my son, Robert, whose in Baghdad. We were able to talk for 18 minutes. I passed along to him all of your thanks for his service to our nation. He is doing well and today is a day off for his Platoon. His response to your thanks was "No problem, just doing my job". So far, he said, his Platoon had not run across any IED's. I'll follow with more as it comes in. Thanks to all of you for your concerns for him and the men of his Platoon.


951 posted on 09/26/2006 8:52:48 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of an American Soldier)
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To: Coyoteman

Isn't that a rather "local" piece of flooding from a breach in an ice-dam holding back a large lake of meltwater?


952 posted on 09/26/2006 8:55:03 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
Isn't that a rather "local" piece of flooding from a breach in an ice-dam holding back a large lake of meltwater?

Yes, of course.

953 posted on 09/26/2006 8:56:17 AM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Jaguarbhzrd

You can't verify something that happened before you could verify it too. It's the infamous time-dilation factor at work.


954 posted on 09/26/2006 8:56:52 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Quix

Just as an FYI, my son called me today from Baghdad. He and is Platoon are doing fine, and today is a day off for them. So far they have not had any problems with IED's (God be praised). More to follow on him as it comes in.

RE: The statement you refer to was actually made by someone else, I was just making the point that to claim someone is uneducated because they don't agree with another's point of view is the epitome of .....

Have a great day.


955 posted on 09/26/2006 8:57:31 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of an American Soldier)
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To: SoldierDad

Thank you for the update.

I have some friends in Iraq, and their response to thank you, is the same, we're just doing our job.

Our military guys really are something else, you may just be doing your job, but it is a dangerous job, it is a thankless job, but it is an important job, that many of us have done, but are too old to be able to do anymore.

What they are doing is important, and laying down your life on a job, is not just doing your job.


956 posted on 09/26/2006 9:02:36 AM PDT by Jaguarbhzrd
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To: SoldierDad

Congrats on your quality son.

Thanks for the info.

I just happened to agree and had to pontificate.

Thanks.


957 posted on 09/26/2006 9:03:44 AM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: aNYCguy
This is great stuff. Once a kook is identified, it's consistently entertaining to find out what other hot-button kook issues they may be hiding and get them started. And they nearly always do; people holding fringe ideas in one area of scientific inquiry tend to be fundamentally anti-rational and therefore receptive to all sorts of stuff.

Crop circles are made by aliens, aliens mutilate cattle, UFO's are frat-boy aliens, we have secret bases on Mars, the Moon landings were faked, modern medicine is a hoax, there's a Face on Mars, gravity was less in the old days, Earth orbited Saturn, Venus popped out of Jupiter, the Electric Universe, the Time Cube, giants roamed the earth, people lived 900 years, fruit from a tree imparted the knowledge of good and evil, the various resurrections of Mithra/Horus/Appolonius/Jesus/et al,

The list of outright insanity goes on and on and on and on ...

958 posted on 09/26/2006 9:03:59 AM PDT by balrog666 (Ignorance is never better than knowledge. - Enrico Fermi)
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To: SoldierDad
You've got a good kid there. You raised him well.
959 posted on 09/26/2006 9:04:18 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (When the Inquisition comes, you may be the rackee, not the rackor.)
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To: SoldierDad

It's a recurring theme with me . . .

Folks assume because of my positions on derided topics that I'm an uneducated hayseed idiot.

Course, probably after that correction they still think I'm an educated hayseed idiot. LOL.


960 posted on 09/26/2006 9:05:03 AM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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